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Aitch


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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 08:02    Post_subject:  

PG
/out of the box

I know JohnM has said an update to the forum software is imminent, however, would it be possible to link to the phpbb admin site & see if the 'user preferences console' can be improved

It seems to me to be a failing which we are misinterpreting as a Puppy forum organisational problem

Suggestion:
I would like, for example, to be able to view threads/posts ALPHABETICALLY, rather than by ascending/descending..... that would help me [possibly] by pre-sorting posts in a familiar format
{I'm not suggesting new categories/sections as I see that as admin hell!}
Oh, how I yearn for an intelligently accessible database of posts.......
Can it be done? [or some other preference I may choose, to make my choice of viewing the forum ........ personal - but still communicable to other users]

Though I realize that [probably] most people have their preferences set to 'default'

Then of course, there's wordpress, bbpress, vbulletin, yabb, pupbb, invision.....etc
We don't HAVE to use phpbb 2, 3 or xxx otherwise

It could be suggested to JohnM, if there were another popular user preference
Perhaps a poll?

Thanks

Aitch
Edit: concur with canbyte May 05, 2009 2:21 am
sorry Rob this forum software doesn't cater for edits/sequencing

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ecomoney


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PostPosted: Sat 09 May 2009, 08:06    Post_subject:  

Phpbb is a pretty flexible system (and its open source).

If were moving towards more of a "team game" with puppy development, its possible to arrange members in "teams" or roles. This would make it easy to spot if someone was say a "developer", a "tester" or even a "newbie expert" Wink

I think a thread discussing "teams" might be imminent

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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Mon 11 May 2009, 22:56    Post_subject:  

Sorry, been busy enjoying my week of free time between the end of spring semester and the beginning of my internship (which begins "for real" tomorrow - orientation was today).

Aitch: Try Profile->Preferences->Reading Topics
I haven't tested that myself yet (I'd rather go to bed that much earlier, sorry). But it looks like there's an option in there for setting the ordering.

Lobster: Yeah, I think tomorrow evening I'll set up separate 4.x and 5.x sections.

ecomoney: The forum does support groups of users. I don't think we're at the point where that would be worth using much. The main thing it would be nice for is simplifying permission management - if there were a set of sections where only testers should be posting, or only devs, etc. and we had dedicated teams of those types of people led by trusted individuals, then that would be a good way to do it. Currently however, that isn't the case. People can still identify what they do in their sig though.

I did consider using that system for the NPD mod, so that I could just set the permissions for that group and then change whoever's in it when the coordinator changes. I might still do that, especially if we wind up with several subsections in here.

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PostPosted: Tue 12 May 2009, 20:09    Post_subject:  

Alrighty. There are now separate 4.x and 5.x sections, each with a bugs section and a usability issues section, with simple descriptions of what a bug and what a usability issue are. These areas are for issues with versions UNDER DEVELOPMENT, not released versions, so the people using them should generally have enough sense to be able to distinguish the difference when provided with those descriptions.

I've made Lobster and Barry moderators in 5.x. Barry because he's in charge this time around, so he may find it useful. Lobster just to have a generic moderator to take care of spam if Flash or I don't catch it, since Barry will hopefully be too busy for mundane stuff like that.

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battleshooter


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PostPosted: Tue 12 May 2009, 20:20    Post_subject:  

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Alrighty. There are now separate 4.x and 5.x sections, each with a bugs section and a usability issues section, with simple descriptions of what a bug and what a usability issue are. These areas are for issues with versions UNDER DEVELOPMENT, not released versions, so the people using them should generally have enough sense to be able to distinguish the difference when provided with those descriptions.


Good stuff PG, those are good sub forums to make out and your descriptions of what they're for are practical and sensible. Posting "bugs" and "usability" problems should be heaps clearer now. Thanks for the work you do on the forum!

Battleshooter

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PostPosted: Wed 13 May 2009, 06:24    Post_subject:  

Fantastic PG!!! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

This is really what we need...a usability section...a major focus for puppy and something that would take relatively little (programming) effort to sort out. It should stop all those pesky "what is a bug and what isnt" debates.

If something "doesnt work" or something "cannot be worked" its amounts to the same thing in real life.

Much Kudos your way.

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markofkane


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PostPosted: Wed 20 May 2009, 07:54    Post_subject:  

This may not be possible, but putting all applications in one folder, instead scattered about. Also, a way to remove installed stuff to make more space, if desired.
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 13:26    Post_subject:  

FYI, this thread is about suggestions for this section of the forum, not suggestions about Puppy's content.

But as long as we're here: for removing built-in packages, it isn't as simple as it may seem - all things included in Puppy are inside a read-only compressed file. If you attempt to delete them, Puppy just hides them from you, because he cannot actually delete them. However, since Puppy can't see them anymore, if you make a remaster Puppy won't include those "deleted" items in the new version, so that new version will be smaller. I made a program called "Pet-Be-Gone" to remove packages so that you could remaster without them. More recently, pa_mcclamrock made a program called "Remaster Express" that I believe combines the same functionality as Pet-Be-Gone with an improved remaster script, in one handy program. I haven't used it myself so I can't vouch for how good it is, but it was included in Puppy 4.2, so I would recommend trying that before resorting to Pet-Be-Gone.

(Exception to the above: if you have a full-hd install, Puppy can and will truly delete things when you tell it to, so using Pet-Be-Gone would, in that case, allow you to free up space without the need to remaster. Though, a trimmed-down full install probably still takes more space than a "full-blown" Frugal install, because in a Frugal install the pup_xxx.sfs file is compressed to use less than half the pace required by a "full-blown" full install. Of course, you'd also need to have your pup_save.2fs file, which is generally bigger than a full-blown full install, but mostly filled with emptiness until you fill it with your own data....)

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James C


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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 02:57    Post_subject:  

PG, I also want to thank you for the work you do on the forum.It now appears that it should be easier to keep the "bugs" in one section where they can be easily found and addressed.

Keep up the great work!!!!!!
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satishbhawra37

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PostPosted: Fri 25 Sep 2009, 15:40    Post_subject:  

This Bugs section is ONLY for official Puppies that are still under development. If you have bugs to report for an existing Puppy, do it in the Bugs section of the main forum, not this one.
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sunburnt


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 00:53    Post_subject:  

Pizzasgood; This may be a little out of the discussion of this thread, but it relates.
In another thread it was suggested that there be a programmers forum for feedback.
I usually use the Cutting Edge forum, but it probably was never intended for that.
There`s forums for Software packages, and for Puppy projects, and Puppy variants.
But folks who develop new apps. and utilities have no set place to host their work.
Just a thought a few of us had... Terry
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Pizzasgood


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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 10:21    Post_subject:  

You're right, there isn't really anywhere to ask questions about programming in general. So without further ado:
the Programming section

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 12:31    Post_subject:  

Pizzasgood; The thought was a programmers / developers corner.
I think this is what you have in mind, a general forum for the purpose.
Or is the Cutting Edge forum the place for programming works in progress?

A place to post works in progress and get feedback and bug reports.
A coders watering hole as it were, open for Q`s and A`s and such.

To "echo" battleshooter and James C, many thanks for the efforts... T.
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 15:15    Post_subject:  

Under-development projects that are Puppy related are welcome to live in Cutting Edge or Puppy Projects. Things that are to the point where normal users would be interested in using them may live in Additional Software, though perhaps that's a better place to post only the release versions.

The "Programming" section is for anything that doesn't fit in the above, such as questions, discussions about different languages/styles, non-puppy related projects, etc. Puppy related projects are also welcome there, particularly ones that involve a lot of asking questions about how to do things.

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PostPosted: Sat 03 Oct 2009, 15:28    Post_subject:  

My thought too, Additional Software is for finished working versions.
I always thought that Puppy Projects was more for system development.
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