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BarryK
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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 18:21    Post subject:  Jaunty Puppy Alpha9 feedback  

Announced on my blog:

http://puppylinux.com/blog/?viewDetailed=00768

I have started this forum thread for bug reports and general feedback.

Note that I have put the Smooth Color desktop icons (who created those?) in the live-CD. Along with the squiggly crayon wallpaper (ttuuxx?) it's an interesting combination ...just needs matching JWM and GTK themes!

What's new? well, lots of little things, you would have to scan my blog. The PPM now has the puppy-5 repo, although not much in it yet. Then there's the Xdelta GUI (see Utility menu). And more...

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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 19:58    Post subject:  

The Isolinux bootup screen could use a font color with better contrast for the boot options line than dark blue. When F2 is pressed, the same line is now white and easier to read.

Very interesting color choice for the desktop wallpaper as well! Otherwise, the JWM, GTK, and icon theme work well together.

As I've commented on your blog previously, it would be nice to have some new boot options to skip past the configuration screens on first boot. Bootup is interrupted 4 times now. pkeys=xx can get you past one of those screens, but there's still 3 more preventing an unattended bootup.

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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 19:59    Post subject:  

I really don't have luck with my Medion MD8818 as I still have the black screen with the 3 iso's. I am thinking now, that puppy 5 won't be for me after all.

I got the idea to boot with loglevel=7 and I can compare between the good working alpha 6 and this alpha9 (the picture is kinda blurred)

The good working one in spite of the PCI-Express Device error:
Code:
sr 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0
scsi 2:0:1:0: CD-ROM            HL-DT-ST DVD-ROM GDR8164B 0U08 PQ: 0 ANSI: 5
sr1: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
sr 2:0:1:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr1
ata4: port disabled. ignoring.
PNP: PS/2 Controller [PNP0303:PS2K,PNP0f13:PS2M] at 0x60,0x64 irq 1,12
serio: i8042 KBD port at 0x60,0x64 irq 1
serio: i8042 AUX port at 0x60,0x64 irq 12
mice: PS/2 mouse device common for all mice
cpuidle: using governor ladder
TCP cubic registered
NET: Registered protocol family 17
Using IPI Shortcut mode
Freeing unused kernel memory: 308k freed
+------ PCI-Express Device Error ------+
Error Severity      : Uncorrected (Non-Fatal)
PCIE Bus Error type   : Transaction Layer
Flow Control Protocol    : First
Receiver ID      : 0010
VendorID=1106h, DeviceID=a327h, Bus=00h, Device=02h, Function=00h
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: broadcast error_detected message
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: broadcast mmio_enabled message
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: broadcast resume message
pcieport-driver 0000:00:02.0: AER driver successfully recovered
input: AT Translated Set 2 keyboard as /devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
usbcore: registered new interface driver usbfs
usbcore: registered new interface driver hub
usbcore: registered new device driver usb
uhci_hcd: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver
Hope this can help to pin-point the issue.
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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 20:58    Post subject:  

it's been a while since I've looked at a upup (or is that an upup?), but at this time I can report the following:

1. Selecting 1680x1050 from the Xorg wizard now actually gives me 1680x1050 rather than 1024x768.

2. gxine crashes trying to play an mp3 (Pmusic is ok):
# gxine JohnnyCash_I_WalkTheLine.mp3
CDROMREADTOCHDR: No medium found
WARN: could not retrieve file info for `image.nrg': No such file or directory
WARN: can't open nrg image file image.nrg for reading
The program 'gxine' received an X Window System error.
This probably reflects a bug in the program.
The error was 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)'.
(Details: serial 476 error_code 11 request_code 131 minor_code 19)
(Note to programmers: normally, X errors are reported asynchronously;
that is, you will receive the error a while after causing it.
To debug your program, run it with the --sync command line
option to change this behavior. You can then get a meaningful
backtrace from your debugger if you break on the gdk_x_error() function.)

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3. Abiword launches properly from urxvt, but not from the desktop icon and not from Menu->Document on the panel.

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tasmod


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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 21:03    Post subject:  

Same problem as I've had with previous versions on my favoured PC, it uses a wireless keyboard and it doesn't work at the point of keyboard country entry.

This has not been a problem in the 4 series, it always worked during and after startup.

In the Woof series, am able to type puppy pfix=ram, the rest of startup continues through till after loading in ram. First blue screen appears for keyboard select and I can no longer use keyboard. That's as far as I can go.

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01micko


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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 21:36    Post subject:  

Ok... PC1.. asus a7s8x mobo, athlon 2100=, 768 ram, raedon 9200 w/128 ram

Xorg worked fine with the card and displayed the max monitor res, of 1380x768x24.

Works fine (just testing some basics, network, mount, save) except all mini-icons will not appear, even in the menu button itself. Weird

ok... PC2 IBM Thinkpad R31, Celeron 1066, 512 ram, 8M onboard graphics

Xorg would not work, it usually does in all puppies with 1024x768x24. Used Xvesa with said res.

Looks good but no drive icons. Try to run Pmount and sda1 and sda2 show up in the gui, I will click one and Pmount just vanishes. I tried this in terminal
Code:
#mount /dev/sda1
and get
Code:
mount: can't find /dev/sda1 in /etc/fsatab or /etc/mtab


Ran "Pmount" in term.
Code:
#pmount
/usr/sbin/pmount: line 291: 8377 Teminated       yaf-splash -font "8x16" -outline 0 -margin 4 -bg orange -text "Puppy Drive Mounter"

Please wait, probing hardware..."
#

and it exited directly without a peep.

So I couldn't try networking because I use ndiswrapper on this machine and the files are in the doze install, I'll copy them over and try it later.EmbarassedHow can I copy it over if I can't do a save? Rolling Eyes Laughing

Ooh, shutdown... just restarted X, clicked reboot..same thing.. restarts X, only on PC2

ok.... PC3 Lenovo R61e Celeron 2GHz, 2GB ram, 64M onboard graphics.



Again, (Xorg started fine) no mini-icons at all. Very much the same report as PC1

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Lobster
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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 21:42    Post subject:  

new colorful background gives the impression of newness - good plan
Never underestimate the Occams razor cheap trick mentality
Simple works - and it does - very nice.- good to see some fun Smile

Must admit I had to change the background after 5 minutes but the initial impression is lively . . .
as are the new theme icons . . .

Must mention that leafpad does not have a menu icon

Good to see Puppy 5 package management up if rather bare
puptv is simplified - xine only - and better for it - the BBC news link needs an update

Combined with the devx.sfs Puppy is an innovative vala/genie development system with c and c++ and the valide and glade interface

It is a mark of the inherent stability of Puppy that I was able to use the previous alpha 8 as my main system for two weeks

Now I am enjoying 4.2.1 and its polish Smile

If you use alpha 9 to code - please let us know
Please compile packages so we can get some great software available for the beta

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01micko


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PostPosted: Fri 22 May 2009, 22:04    Post subject:  

Ahhhh .... narrowing down this Pmount bug, It must be related to Xvesa. I changed to Xvesa on my PC1 (never realise Xvesa doesn't support widescreen Crying or Very sad ) and I got exactly the same behaviour with Pmount as my PC2.

Hmmmm... what to do?

Ok, tried "mount" command. I can only mount /dev/fd0... floppy. Nothing else will mount while using Xvesa. I tried my NTFS, ext2, ext3 partitions and sr0(cdrom).

Going back to Xorg now to see if it's broken.

Ok, back in Xorg now, all's well except mini-icons.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 00:17    Post subject:  

Béèm wrote:
I really don't have luck with my Medion MD8818 as I still have the black screen with the 3 iso's. I am thinking now, that puppy 5 won't be for me after all.

Hmmm. I notice that they are still updating the 2.6.27.x kernel. It is now at 2.6.27.24. I'm thinking I might compile that also, build Puppy with it and upload for comparison testing.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 02:56    Post subject:  

BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:
I really don't have luck with my Medion MD8818 as I still have the black screen with the 3 iso's. I am thinking now, that puppy 5 won't be for me after all.

Hmmm. I notice that they are still updating the 2.6.27.x kernel. It is now at 2.6.27.24. I'm thinking I might compile that also, build Puppy with it and upload for comparison testing.
Kernel 2.6.29.rc7 and 2.6.29.1 worked perfectly.
So something has changed in the compile options starting with 2.6.29.2, I suppose.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 06:41    Post subject:  

I was trying to solve my wireless keyboard issue and think I have come across a clue.

In /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit the routine for usb mouse detection has been commented out by Barry as he wishes to drop this.

Now I'm not sure about this, but this is the point at which the usb 'wireless dongle' is recognised. I believe the dongle emulates mouse and keyboard input via usb.

So without investigation I'm assuming this is the point at which I lose keyboard (I don't use the wireless mouse part).

I will try and study this further.

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tronkel


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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 06:59    Post subject:
Subject description: country localisation and Osmo
 

When the user clicks on the localisation menu item, an XML data screen appears instead of the selection dialogue. I remember this problem from past versions.

The default language in Osmo is set to a language other than English and seems not to be configurable as far as I can see.

Ext4 mounting now works fine.

Request: when searching in the Package Manager dialogue box, it would be nice just to be able to hit the enter key instead of having to click on "GO".

Nice version and improving all the time and works fine on the ASUS eeepc..

On that subject, I had a play with the latest Moblin 2 Beta netbook distro. It looks great but is only half-finished at the moment. Not many packages available from the Moblin repo. It's based on Fedora.

Puppy Woof blows Moblin out of the water as a netbook distro. Maybe some Puppy bling specialist could pinch its Clutter interface though and port it to Puppy.

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 07:39    Post subject:  

i am mad as i was 60% through downloading alpha 8 when i read this

Shocked

clearly a bug

Laughing

[start over]

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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 07:49    Post subject:  

bugman wrote:
i am mad as i was 60% through downloading alpha 8 when i read this

Shocked

clearly a bug

Laughing

[start over]
Ahhh, but Mr Bugman.. did you download the separate packets? if you did then not a worry... there is a single 19M packet that upgrades alpha 8 to alpha 9... yes, woof is dialup friendly Smile
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PostPosted: Sat 23 May 2009, 08:45    Post subject:  

01micko wrote:
Ahhh, but Mr Bugman.. did you download the separate packets? if you did then not a worry... there is a single 19M packet that upgrades alpha 8 to alpha 9... yes, woof is dialup friendly Smile


i did not know that

will get the last two packets today, plus the 'bugfix'

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