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Whodo/Warren Has left puppy
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raffy

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:00    Post subject: stressed  

Whodo is already facing stress in many fronts. He is moderator of the development section of this forum as well as package maintainer at ibiblio, handpicked by Barry. But he faces financial difficulties, too.

The least that forum members can do now is nag him about his past shortcomings, whether perceived or real. People here know that teams take turns in development, and you can always work on your preferred project all the time. There is no excuse for nagging.

Also, pitting one group against another, such as users against developers, should be avoided by all means.

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James C


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:04    Post subject:  

I jokingly changed his name to "Egomoney" in another thread, however iy does seem appropriate. The only thing being promoted by Ecomoney is Ecomoney.

A few months ago he volunteered to make a video for Puppy. A concern arose over the size of the credits for him and his company and, no video has appeared yet.

He maintains on social sites, like Facebook, that he is a project manager for a "top ten Linux Distro" and in reality he started the infamous "Community Edition" in 2007 with no finished project in sight. Most project managers who work that slowly would be fired.

If Ecomoney wants a Linux distro for his friends, company, clients, babysitters, etc. he can build his own or remaster or........ instead he tries to change Puppy to fit his needs. Some of his ideas are pretty good...........for a puplet.

If someone wants to work with Ecomoney on a puplet, go for it.However, for the main Puppy distribution Ecomoney needs to chill and WhoDo needs to stay. One is interested in advancing Puppy while the other is interested in promoting his own self-interest. You decide who is who.
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hondasid


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 13:07    Post subject:  

This kind of in-fighting will result in 4.2.1 being the last Puppy. We're slowing tearing ourselves apart. Why can't we just let bygones be bygones and get back to the task at hand: making Puppy better.
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 14:17    Post subject:  

All I have to say guys Is I would take Warren over ecomoney any day, Warren provides the goods, and Ecomoney takes them and runs. Then comes back and tries to boss us around. Really if he did get the boot, that would show some good faith towards Warren, and maybe he might come back, even if he gets the boot like for 2 weeks, just to prove a point to him and Warren that enough is enough. Sure I had my outs with Whodo when I was under pressure during the 4.2 build, but how many of you received a Email from Warren about leaving today? well?? I did, that proves something.

Anyways call it what you will, Warren is great for puppy. Losing him would be a great loss to us all.

ttuuxxx

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 14:49    Post subject:  

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Anyways call it what you will, Warren is great for puppy. Losing him would be a great loss to us all.



Ditto

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SirDuncan


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 16:01    Post subject:  

I'm sorry to hear about Warren's departure. When I first came to the forums, Warren with his friendly alien-head avatar was one of the posters that I quickly learned to look up to. I do hope that he will reconsider. Even if he chooses to no longer coordinate for the project, his staying would be beneficial to the community.

This row between Robert and Warren/Ttuuxxx has gotten out of control. Robert sent a poorly worded PM to Warren (I prefer to believe it was not intentional that it was as threatening as it seemed) and Warren reacted a bit more harshly than was probably warranted. Robert then reacted in kind and a spiral of resentment and malice ensued. Then instead of letting things cool off, Robert posted some things that came off as deriding instead of as suggestions or observations. When this was pointed out to him, he ignored it instead of amending his post (for an example see his thread about Woof's theme, he was declaring an intentional "feature" in an alpha to be a serious bug for end users, not unlike stating that Lorem Ipsum text in a document template is going to confuse readers of the final document). Normally, this might not have been a problem, but with tempers already flaring it only made things worse.

Overall, I guess I just feel disappointed that it got this bad. A little more tact from either side would likely have stopped this whole thing.

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01micko


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 17:07    Post subject:  

This I believe, is truly the saddest day in Puppy history.

On many forums, people are banned for sending threatening PMs to anyone. Fair enough. Why should anyone be held to ransom?

Which is the biggest loss to Puppy?

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davesurrey

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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 19:34    Post subject:  

Hello 01micko ...and others

I really have no axe to grind with you or anyone here but I can't believe some of the things I'm reading on this thread; similar to the one when WhoDo "resigned" before.

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This I believe, is truly the saddest day in Puppy history.


Are you serious? It may be a sad day for you or WhoDo or perhaps Barry, who may now need to find someone else to do the work involved in packages for version 5 (or whatever he had asked WhoDo to do) but I doubt it warrants the doom and gloom that you profess. One person does not a distro make, perhaps unless it's the key developer.

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On many forums, people are banned for sending threatening PMs to anyone. Fair enough. Why should anyone be held to ransom?


If you are dragging up the old issue of Ecomoney sending a PM to WhoDo, which the latter interpreted as being threatening, then please remember that none of the moderators or even John Murga seemed to have agreed that it was sufficiently threatening, if it were at all, as to warn Ecomoney, let alone ban him.


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Which is the biggest loss to Puppy?

You asked the question. So let me say that IMO losing Ecomoney or WhoDo won't cause this distro to fail. I do accept that both have made contributions, in very different ways (perhaps that's the problem?) But it might reduce the amount of invective that has pervaded this forum for the last few months.

But if you are asking for a poll on WhoDo versus Ecomoney then I'll state quite clearly that I favour Ecomoney staying. Why, well simply because I have never seen him use personal attacks, despite his obvious passion. I certainly don't agree with all he says but he is IMO entitled to his opinion.

Whereas I have seen personal attacks and "throwing toys out of the pram" tactics from WhoDo when someone has had the temerity to disagree with him. I expected someone in a position of given responsibility to have behaved better.

Ecomoney comes across sometimes as a bit naive, but WhoDo seems a bully.

I have no doubt the "mob", as I've seen it called, will round on this but I just don't like this imbalance.

Dave
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droope


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PostPosted: Thu 11 Jun 2009, 23:30    Post subject:  

Warren's loss...

Let's make this clear, Warren is not saying I leave because Ecomoney bullies me.

And, even if he did, it's his problem, not ecomoney's. Eco isn't pointing a gun at his head. If warren really dislikes his prescence, he can ignore him, and that finishes business for us all.


I thought we had ended with this already!!!!!!! Stop wasting time! (and get to work!! Razz Razz Razz j/k please don't kill me)
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alienjeff


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 02:38    Post subject:  

I don't know whether to laugh or cry, so I think I'll make a PBJ sammich and pour a glass of milk.

Having survived a number of pissing matches and pitching of stones on this forum, I can understand how this one was bound to happen. Typical clash of the egos. Inevitable.

It wasn't altogether that long ago when it was ttuuxxx who was riding the cotton pony, got his panties all bunched up, and took an indefinite leave of absence from the fold. And that episode was in large part ego-driven, as is this current one.

From a distance, Robert's incessant needling was only a symptom of what pushed Warren over the edge.

Rotation of service helps to prevent burn out. Perhaps this unplanned hiatus of Whodo's will be beneficial to all involved.

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markofkane


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 03:07    Post subject:  

I like Puppy, and it's a shame Whodo is leaving. But he did say it was final, right?

I hate to see Warren leave the forum, for the short time I was a member.

There will always be troublemakers, and as a moderator of a few forums, I warn, then ban if warnings don't work.

My philosophy is: If you don't like it, leave. (If you don't like Puppy or the forum)

Whiners should go cry in their beer and leave the rest of us alone. (I don't mean Whodo, but those that whine constantly about Puppy or the forum.

I hope I don't appear to be a whiner. Embarassed

Just my 2 cents. Cool
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trio


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 03:44    Post subject:  

Hi all,

I hate to loose Whodo, after all, he's my bling-brother along with ziggy, micko, tasmod. But, comes back to my opinion = puppy is about choices. So, I really like to have whodo stays but also respect his choice.

As for Ecomoney's presence, I think most of us here, had said something rude, including me. But this is a forum, and the are moderators (who should do their job)...and really their job to decide when to ban people. We can have whatever opinion here, and it's the moderators' job to filter it.

that's all I have to say... gonna miss you whodo Crying or Very sad

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disciple

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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 04:50    Post subject:  

seeker wrote:
Rob... It seems like every time you post the same small group (gang) lines up with their insults and flames. Just look above this post to see who they are.

Eh?
Did you read the above posts you referred to?
It must be a small gang - Ttuuxxx, Ttuuxxx and Ttuuxxx Smile

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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 04:59    Post subject:  

disciple wrote:
seeker wrote:
Rob... It seems like every time you post the same small group (gang) lines up with their insults and flames. Just look above this post to see who they are.

Eh?
Did you read the above posts you referred to?
It must be a small gang - Ttuuxxx, Ttuuxxx and Ttuuxxx Smile

Hey thats my best friends your talking about Wink Me,myself and I, lol 3 three ttuuxxx-a-tears lol
ttuuxxx

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moogsydodong


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PostPosted: Fri 12 Jun 2009, 06:28    Post subject:  

I think all these commotion is a result of prolonged
sleep deprivation and probably unhealthy eating habits...

we all need adequate food
and sufficient sleep...

when did the last time you guys had a good night sleep???

...I'm going to eat plenty and sleep well...

I suggest you guys do too...maybe tomorrow when we wake up
we'll all be better... Wink
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