pCD 1.5 - CD-audio player

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Sylvander · #101 Post by **Sylvander** » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 13:37

I'm a Puppy newbie.

Ecomoney is presenting a GIFT of some good ideas [POSITIVITY].
And all he gets is...
RESISTANCE to change.
RESISTANCE to ideas.

I think pCD is really nice.
But the whole system is not yet perfected.

e.g. With BoxPup running...
When I put an audio CD in the drawer of my player, and close the drawer....
The CD AUTO-PLAYS.
But unfortunately it's Xfmedia player that runs, not pCD.
To leave this as-is is not good enough.

As a newbie user I would like to see something like Ecomoney has proposed be brought about, and instead he gets...
NEGATIVITY AS A RESPONSE.

If this kind of reaction was universal throughout the world, there would be no progress.

trapster · #102 Post by **trapster** » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 13:52

Sylvander wrote:

If this kind of reaction was universal throughout the world, there would be no progress.

That might not be a bad thing.

seeker · #103 Post by **seeker** » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 14:26

01micko wrote: Does Puppy really need the overhead of automatic CD detection? I think our efforts would be better spent on other issues. A simple addition to the help files should help any newby play a CD.

This may be a little off topic but hasn't CD/DVD auto detection auto play already been addressed? Menu->Desktop->Desktop drive icons manager, click the Icon Handler tab, 'Tick box for auto launch handler when media plugged in' ? This is in 4.1.2. A quick search through the help file doesn't say anything about it though.

Sylvander · #104 Post by **Sylvander** » Thu 25 Jun 2009, 14:55

Anyone know how to make pCD autoplay rather than Xfmedia player?

disciple · #105 Post by **disciple** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 08:06

Ecomoney is presenting a GIFT of some good ideas [POSITIVITY].
And all he gets is...
RESISTANCE to change.
RESISTANCE to ideas.

No. Ecomoney hasn't got a volunteer to tidy up the event manager thing, but neither has he got resistance to change. He has got:
1. A suggestion that this should be a feature of the event manager, not pCD.
2. A discussion about whether or not the feature is a good idea.
3. A discussion about the logic behind his feature request.
None of these things are resistance. Personally I will welcome his patches to the event manager, even though I would disable this functionality myself. I do think if we're going to have an event manager we might as well have a proper one

Does Puppy really need the overhead of automatic CD detection?

No, but he already has it, as has already been pointed out

Anyone know how to make pCD autoplay rather than Xfmedia player?

Does boxpup use the standard puppy event management system?

Sylvander · #106 Post by **Sylvander** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 13:18

1. "Does boxpup use the standard puppy event management system?"
As a newbie, this is all unknown to me, but I did manage to find "Menu->System->Puppy event manager".
Don't see any way in there to make configuration changes so that pCD would autoplay rather than Xfmedia player.

aragon · #107 Post by **aragon** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 13:47

please look at the picture below. that's the event-manager (version in 4.10).

activate both items might do the trick.

aragon

Sylvander · #108 Post by **Sylvander** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 16:11

Both of those boxes are already ticked.

seeker · #109 Post by **seeker** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 17:45

my guess would be to edit /usr/local/bin/defaultmediaplayer like this

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 #!/bin/sh
#exec gxineshell "$@"
exec pCD "$@"

Don't really know till you try.

aragon · #110 Post by **aragon** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 19:32

yes but 4.2 has also defaultmusicplayer (maybe defaultaudioplayer) which is set to pmusic i think.

aragon

Sylvander · #111 Post by **Sylvander** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 19:58

1 Searched for files with default in their name.

2. No file found named defaultaudioplayer, or anything similar.

3. Only /usr/local/bin/defaultmediaplayer found.
Made the suggested changes, but all that did was result in NO autoplay of ANY audio/media player.

4. Put things back as they had been and Xfmedia player now autoplays as previously.

disciple · #112 Post by **disciple** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 21:46

Maybe we should have defaultcdplayer, defaultcdripper, defaultcdburner and defaultdvdplayer as well.

ecomoney · #113 Post by **ecomoney** » Fri 26 Jun 2009, 22:50

Sylvander, thank you for your support. About 70% of people I introduce Puppy Linux to return to Windows OS. I ask them why. Once of the constant replies I get is "I just want the damn thing to play a cd when I put one in, is that too much to ask?"....amongst several others.

01micko wrote:I think our efforts would be better spent on other issues

If our aim is to be "friendly to Linux Newbies", then we should not expect them to embark on learning curves for them to be able to be able to do the things Windows did for them automatically. They see "Plays CD's without needing to read a manual" as a "feature".

I think our efforts as Linux Developers are best spent making a Linux Starter Distro as immediately easy to use as Windows....and leave manual-reading to those who have an interest in knowing how Linux works (and they eventually will) to read the manual.

The thing is....I dont personally care a jot whether it plays CD automatically or not...I just Ive seen a lot of new Linux users that do. Any "Product", free or commercial, is doomed to failure if it does not listen to its "target market".

disciple · #114 Post by **disciple** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 03:13

We could really do without the hyperbole.
"Menu->Multimedia->pCD CD-audio player" involves reading a menu, not a manual.
You're not asking for Puppy to be made easier, you're either asking for him to be made more automatic, or more like Windows, either of which is OK.

disciple · #115 Post by **disciple** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 06:01

Okay, so I:
1. Changed the event manager settings to automatically run the handler when a disk is inserted, as described above.
2. Opened /usr/local/bin/drive_all and changed line 137 (I'm in Puppy 4.1.1, but my event manager is probably not stock) to start pcd

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...
  1) #audio
   ln -snf /dev/${ONEDRVNAME} /dev/cdrom
   exec pcd
   ;;

3. Inserted an audio CD. It didn't work.
4. Restarted my computer in case it made my (probably non stock) event manager actually respect the automatically run handler setting.
5. Inserted an audio CD, and pCD opened.

So it should be very straightforward - you just need to write a new handler dialogue to give you the choice of what to do instead.

Sylvander · #116 Post by **Sylvander** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 07:58

a. Not sure I follow instructions in step 1, but the correct boxes are ticked in the "Event Manager".

b. Carried out steps 2 through 5, but all that happens is that there is now NO autoplay of ANY audio/media player.

c. Now restoring copy of previous /usr/local/bin/drive_all file.

d. Restarted xwin ["Ctrl+Alt+backstep" then xwin], and Xfmedia now autoplays as originally.

disciple · #117 Post by **disciple** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 08:06

I presume in step 2 you found the place in the file that looked the same as the fragment I posted except it didn't run pcd?

Sylvander · #118 Post by **Sylvander** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 12:51

Almost [but not quite] perfect success!

1. Found the following 3 lines [129 to 131] in the old copy of /usr/local/bin/drive_all file.

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1) #audio
   ln -snf /dev/${ONEDRVNAME} /dev/cdrom
   exec defaultmediaplayer cdda://

2. Replaced those 3 lines with:

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1) #audio
   ln -snf /dev/${ONEDRVNAME} /dev/cdrom
   exec pcd

3. Now when I close the drawer with an audio CD in...
pCD opens, but doesn't play.
It's necessary to click on the play button, and then the 1st track plays.
Would be better if it autoplayed the 1st track, followed by all the others.

zigbert · #119 Post by **zigbert** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 18:06

Sylvander wrote:pCD opens, but doesn't play.
It's necessary to click on the play button, and then the 1st track plays.
Would be better if it autoplayed the 1st track, followed by all the others.

I'll put it to the todo-list

Sigmund

01micko · #120 Post by **01micko** » Sat 27 Jun 2009, 21:06

I am of the opinion, if playing an audio cd is to be the default action when a cd is inserted, that it should be an option. I don't always want to play my cd. I may want to rip it with pcdripper or ripoff or copy it with Pburn.

Rob, maybe I should have said that earlier

. I feel many people would would echo my opinion. This is why I said that it wouldn't be worth pursuing.

Just my 2 cents.

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