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XOpup Interest Group. Puppy Linux for the OLPC XO-1 laptop
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Thu 15 Oct 2009, 04:27    Post subject: I boots!
Subject description: kind of...
 

While trying to organize the overwhelming support for the XOpup idea, I was trying to compile kernels based either on the XO 2.6.30 kernel or the puppy 2.6.30.5 patched sources and the olpc DOTconfig as base (see previous page).
Success was variable so I tried something really simple (obviously driven by ignorance and desperation Confused ).

I manually made a full puppy install in an ext2-formated USB stick, by loop mounting the pup-431.sfs and devx_431.sfs (both from rc2) as well as the kernel_src-2.6.30.5-patched.sfs4.sfs and copying to the stick. However instead of the inirt.gz and vmlinuz of puppy I used te entire boot folder from F11-XO1/os7 that has the olpc intrd, vmlinuz, config and sytemmap (all 2.6.30 kernel-based). Modified the olpc.fth to the correct path and booted the XO-1. Dracut, that is now used by the XO builds to make the initramfs, complained a bit about SCSI and depmod but booted fine to the puppy setup screens!
Unfortunately XO-1 hardware does not support VESA (not supported by the video card) and there is no geode support in the xorgwizard, so no GUI.
However I guess this attempt shows that OFW (see "XO-BIOS") is not really a problem for puppy.

I _really_ have no idea about Xorg.config, compiling video drivers (and geode driver is still problematic) and of course re-configuring the xorgwizard... Is there anyone that might be able to help?
I can understand that without the XO hardware this can be tricky, but still.

Of course there is always the original proposal on the table, an XOpup interest group that could be given the XO-1s for 12 months or so to work on it, or even to just test what others are doing, but I do not see this going anywhere. Sad Sad Sad

PS: Maybe someone could suggest to me if there are any specific xorg config, fles and drivers that I could be manually adding/editing to the "XOpup" from the Fedora/XO working os, to test .
If you do please indicate full path for the puppy file and configuration changes if necessary.
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 02:43    Post subject: xserver-xoegwizard  

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Maybe someone could suggest to me if there are any specific xorg config, fles and drivers that I could be manually adding/editing to the "XOpup" from the Fedora/XO working os, to test .
If you do please indicate full path for the puppy file and configuration changes if necessary.


C'mon guys...
all I asking is some pointers about the X-server and the xorg wizard...

I'm sure that someone can point to a couple of the most relevant to the question, among the 350+ threads that a forum search finds.

Anybody?...
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 05:40    Post subject:  

the file your looking for is located at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
hope that helps
ttuuxxx

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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 06:08    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
the file your looking for is located at /etc/X11/xorg.conf
hope that helps
ttuuxxx


Yes it does (a bit Smile )
Could you also tell me how to install a local pet without GUI? I'm searching for an hour but no luck...
I'm thinking to try these geode driver pets though I'm not sure that they are compatible with 4.3. But is not running anyway... so not much to loose...
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Sat 17 Oct 2009, 16:54    Post subject:  

It would be easier to start on a system that does boot and edit the sfs files and add the drivers to the sfs then rebuild the sfs . I'll start this week when I get the XO Smile
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mavrothal


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2009, 05:28    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
It would be easier to start on a system that does boot and edit the sfs files and add the drivers to the sfs then rebuild the sfs . I'll start this week when I get the XO Smile
ttuuxxx


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Assuming that you produce something usable please put a note here and/or other OLPC threads in he forum as to where the relevant thread/download will be.
Thanks
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2009, 05:36    Post subject:  

I'll probably start a new thread where I can have control of the first post like what I did for 2.14X have a look at the first page Smile
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553
It makes it way easier for the testers to find the latest release.
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2009, 05:58    Post subject:  

ttuuxxx wrote:
I'll probably start a new thread where I can have control of the first post like what I did for 2.14X have a look at the first page Smile
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553
It makes it way easier for the testers to find the latest release.
ttuuxxx


That's what I would expect.
I just asked, if is not too much trouble, to post the link in this and/or other OLPC threads to give a heads up to interested people that may monitor the existing OLPC threads.
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PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2009, 06:11    Post subject:  

mavrothal wrote:
ttuuxxx wrote:
I'll probably start a new thread where I can have control of the first post like what I did for 2.14X have a look at the first page Smile
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=42553
It makes it way easier for the testers to find the latest release.
ttuuxxx


That's what I would expect.
I just asked, if is not too much trouble, to post the link in this and/or other OLPC threads to give a heads up to interested people that may monitor the existing OLPC threads.


yes I'll have to do something like that, They did say post something monthly so I'll just copy and paste release notes once a month and give the thread link to there forum
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ttuuxxx


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PostPosted: Mon 19 Oct 2009, 09:21    Post subject:  

I just bought on ebay a 32GB SDHC card, to use on the laptop they are sending me, so that should give me some compiling room Smile
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raffy

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 06:40    Post subject: they  

Now you've been talking about "they" -- it seems that there's been an organization of some sort. I guess it would help if one of you could describe what's going on.

The way it's usually done in the Forum is that projects are described and people come in to contribute as things roll on. If people see the "we" and "they" early on, there is less chance of the others joining.

I can't resist noting these points, as this was the weakness of the old OLPC approach. But if the current effort is based on hiring people for forming a team and not on welcoming volunteers, then I stand corrected.

Also, please don't forget that Barry has one of those XO-1s.

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 07:27    Post subject:  

Hi Raffy, I'll explain.
When I say "they" I mean the OLPC company, They are sending me possibly 2 laptops this week(maybe one, I'll find out when I get them), So I can build them a puppy version. Its going to stretch my talents a bit Smile But I learned lots with 2.14X and feel confident enough to build a working Os.
It will not be a tradition puppy, most gtkdialog applications will be tossed. The reason, is that they take too much resources compared with C programs. Most scripts will have to stay because there aren't many replacements.
Gxine will be tossed and VLC will be used, I'll have to recompile 8.6h.
Most drivers will be tossed and I'll compile the ones needed for XO.
That will slim the OS size, why include extra that aren't needed?
all in all my goal is 75-130MB including gimp, wx. not sure on the size of sugar yet. I bet the battery life will almost double when I'm finished, compared to a regular puppy. Plus I'll have to do some custom things also. And yes I'll release testing versions and take input etc just like I did with 2.14X. So it can be a group effort if people want help, great.
The main request by the OLPC company is that I keep them informed with the progress and difficulties I encounter once a month.
My first target will be getting a working kernel, compiled just for XO, that way it will reduce extra drivers and make the OS even smaller. Same with alsa etc.
ttuuxxx

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fsabatino

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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 07:41    Post subject:  

Hey ttuuxxx,

In Uruguay, we have just finished rolling out the X0s to 100% (yes... all) primary school kids in the country (public schools that is). Next phase will commence with high school.

http://blogs.worldbank.org/edutech/videos/uruguays-plan-ceibal-the-worlds-most-ambitious-roll-out-of-educational-technologies

Literally, I see kids walking around the streets with the little green laptops and rows of them sucking up wifi access on the sidewalks of our suburbs here in Montevideo.

Having a child with one of these at home, and seeing how teeeeeerribly slow it is compared to my puppy, I (as maybe hundreds of others), am keenly keeping an eye on your progress.

All the best mate. Good luck with your work

(yes... I too am Aussie, believe it or not)
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 07:54    Post subject:  

I'm Canadian and Australian, Born raised in Canada for the first 30yrs and Been in Australia for the past 9 years. Smile
Any Idea of the size of the OS that comes with XO compressed iso?
The reason why I asked is that I'm unsure if OpenOffice should be default or Abiword/Gnumeric like 200MB compressed extra for OO. If I did that the iso could be 380MB including Java for OpenOffice. The small 2-3 series version we have doesn't work with newer formats.
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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 08:11    Post subject:  

I'm unsure if the size of the OS (I'm at the office at the XO is at home). I do know that the image file for flashing and upgrading ths OS weighs an odd 460Mb, give or take a few Mb.
You have probably already seen this page, but just in case here it is. It has more info you may find relevant. (http://wiki.laptop.org/go/LiveBackup_XO-LiveCD).

I'm sure you'll have your reasons for using OO or Abiword/Gnumeric. I'd choose Abiword/Gnumeric. And the simple reason is that from my experience with the XO, with the original Fedora/Sugar is that it is slow as a slug with crutches. In other words, anything that can help speed it up will be welcome.
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