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Aitch


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PostPosted: Tue 20 Oct 2009, 18:49    Post subject:  

zotero firefox plugin here

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3504

I also found this, while looking .....

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/10187

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Easily navigate through Google search results using a fast, simple and useful Tag-Cloud technique. Use our Topic-Mapping-Technologies for quick access to answers, news, videos, blogs, Wikipedia and more. Install now and boost your search.


thanks Puppyt Wink

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PostPosted: Sat 24 Oct 2009, 15:03    Post subject:  

added, so it doesn't get lost!

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=259068#259068

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How to give effective problem reports


Something far too few people search for, IMHO

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 13:53    Post subject: How are "unanswered posts" arranged?
Subject description: Am baffled by the chronological ordering of search for "unanswered post"
 

My apologies if I've failed to find a previously published answer . I admit I've only read the first post of this thread carefully, and skimmed through the rest.

Am hoping there's a simple explanation of the structure of one of the three pre-set searches, the "view unanswered posts" search.

What frustrates me is this.

When I run this search, the first page (page 1 of 230) shows posts from the current date (Nov.6, 2009), yet when I click on the last page (230), it also shows posts from today's date.


And then, when I open the second last page (#229 today), I'm looking at posts for 2005!

Page #1 had 7 posts dated today, page #230 had 9, and all the posts on page 229 were dated 2005...


On third glance, I see that the poster's name in the "last post" column is given as "guest" in all of the posts on the last page.

My first thought was that these were posts by unfortunates who had been banned and converted into "guests", and the database somehow kept their orphaned posts perpetually current. But I see that all but two have an active username in the "author' column.

The other interesting thing is that all nine of these "guest" posts have the same posting time (on the search page), and that this time is always the current time on my system (ie. the last time I looked, it was 11:42 for all the posts).

When I viewed the posts, all displayed time stamps from months or years back (the oldest is from December 2007), except for the one at the bottom of the page ("Puppy Linux in Linux Format"), for which I got a "no posts match your search criteria".

I ran a little experiment with this last post by replying to it. Will see whether it now disappears from the last page of the search...Yep, it's gone!

OOPS! Not so fast. It's gone from the bottom of the last page, but reappears on page one now, with legendofthorn as the author "0 replies" and otropogo as the last poster... The original post is still nowhere to be found. Have asked the author about it via PM.

More weirdness...

After posting this message, I ran the "view unanswered posts" search again to see where my new post would land - and I couldn't see it on either the first, 230th, or 229th (after reloading the pages).

Why not? It got posted, as it's listed in the correct thread, I was able to access it via that route, and it hasn't had any replies...

Explanation(s) please...

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 20:07    Post subject:  

Some of the guest people probably were really guests. We used to allow guest posting back when the forum was new, before spam started getting bad.

As for the temporal anomalies, I'm not sure what's going on there. The posts themselves seem to know when they were made. Maybe threads have their own "last reply" timestamp rather than relying on whatever is in the last post in the thread, and maybe it got borked on those ones. I don't know.

As for the one you replied to, it sounds like maybe the post had been deleted but not all the entries in the database were adjusted correctly, so that when you replied, your post became the first post in the thread. And apparently the threads have their own entry for who is the original poster, which did not get updated when you replied (which it shouldn't, since a reply is by definition not the first post.... except when things are screwy).

Maybe these things are a result of the forum crashing in the middle of those people's posts being processed or something.

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 21:34    Post subject:  

Pizzasgood wrote:
Some of the guest people probably were really guests. We used to allow guest posting back when the forum was new, before spam started getting bad.


Only three of the nine authors are shown as "guest" in the actual post. And of those three, only one., whose post is dated May 8, 2005, would meet the date criteria. The other two posts are date stamped Jully and October, 2009. The rest are all registered users with active accounts.

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Maybe these things are a result of the forum crashing in the middle of those people's posts being processed or something.


Yes, there's chronological cluster of five posts beginning at 22:42 on March 16, 2008, and ending at 01:41 March 17 which suggests an extended forum malfunction.

What concerns me more than the above glitches though, is why my original post above didn't appear in the list after I submitted it..


Is there a set delay after posting before a post is flagged "unanswered" ?

If so, what is it.?

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 00:28    Post subject:  


I have made the search engines mentioned into a mini shell script
which has been kindly made into a pet
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=359024#359024

====== old info - use pet ========
- Click on the File icon on the Puppy desktop
- go somewhere (NB: Windows users - please stay in the room) Smile
- right click
- New / Script
- post in the below code replacing the bit at the top
- make the resulting file executable
- move where you want it

Code:
#! /bin/bash
# PUPPY SEARCH v 0.2 Nov 6 2009

# created by Lobster
###################
# Puppy Search Engine links, Info Find, Help Find Pets and SFS
###################

export PS='
<window title="PS" window-position="1">
<vbox>
  <menubar>
    <menu>
        <menuitem>
             <label>Well Minded Search</label>
           <action>defaultbrowser http://www.wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html &</action>
         </menuitem>
         <menuitem>
             <label>Forum Search</label>
          <action>defaultbrowser http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/search.php &</action>
         </menuitem>
        <menuitem>
             <label>klu9 Search</label>
          <action>defaultbrowser http://klu9.50webs.com/puppystuff.html &</action>
         </menuitem>
         <menuitem>
             <label>Community Search</label>
          <action>defaultbrowser http://www.puppylinux.org/home/search &</action>
         </menuitem>
         <menuitem>
             <label>Linux Search</label>
          <action>defaultbrowser http://linux.die.net/ &</action>
         </menuitem>
        <menuitem>
             <label>Advanced Google</label>
          <action>defaultbrowser http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:murga-linux.com&num=100&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all &</action>
        </menuitem>
         <menuitem stock="gtk-quit">
                <action>echo You selected the quit menu item</action>
                <action type="exit">exit by menu</action>
          </menuitem>
            <label>Search</label>
    </menu>
   
    <menu>
        <menuitem>
           <label>About</label>
            <action>`Xdialog --wrap --screencenter --left --title "About" --msgbox "Puppy Search v 0.2\n6 Nov 2009\nCreated by Lobster\n----\nSearch and Find\nFind Info\nHelp Find Pets and SFS" 600x0`</action>
        </menuitem>
        <menuitem>
           <label>FAQ</label>
            <action>`Xdialog --wrap --screencenter --left --title "FAQ" --msgbox "Forum search techniqueI in google (or search engine of choice)\nsite:murga-linux.com my search" 600x0`</action>
         </menuitem>
        <menuitem>
             <label>More Search Info</label>
          <action>defaultbrowser http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=202412#202412 &</action>
        </menuitem>
   <label>Help</label>
   </menu>   
  </menubar>
  <frame>
     <text><label>PUPPY SEARCH</label></text>
   </frame>
   <hbox>
        <button cancel></button>
  </hbox>
</vbox>
 </window>'

gtkdialog3 --program PS
unset PS

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 01:45    Post subject:  

otropogo wrote:
What concerns me more than the above glitches though, is why my original post above didn't appear in the list after I submitted it..


Is there a set delay after posting before a post is flagged "unanswered" ?

If so, what is it.?
The link is a misnomer. It's for unanswered threads, not unanswered posts. The criteria for being "unanswered" is to be a thread with only one post => 0 replies.

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Only three of the nine authors are shown as "guest" in the actual post. And of those three, only one., whose post is dated May 8, 2005, would meet the date criteria. The other two posts are date stamped Jully and October, 2009. The rest are all registered users with active accounts.
So they are. I wasn't very observant.
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 02:09    Post subject:  

Pizzasgood wrote:
otropogo wrote:
What concerns me more than the above glitches though, is why my original post above didn't appear in the list after I submitted it..
....
The link is a misnomer. It's for unanswered threads, not unanswered posts. The criteria for being "unanswered" is to be a thread with only one post => 0 replies.


Ouch!

That's what I was afraid of. So there's no way of knowing how many posted questions actually remain unanswered, except that it's probably several times the 6900 shown by the "view unanswered posts".

The problem with this arrangement is that it means the best strategy for getting your question noticed is to post a new thread - which in turn results in duplication of threads and answers and more difficulty in finding them...

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 07:32    Post subject:  

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So there's no way of knowing how many posted questions actually remain unanswered, except that it's probably several times the 6900 shown by the "view unanswered posts"


You can use the 'watch this topic' button, top right, or set your preferences to get email when your posts are answered....
otherwise. as you say, a new thread

We have tried to get improvements to the forum/search, as you aren't the only complainer, but it seems phpBB has some limitations.....

John Murga may be the guy to make suggestions for changes, to....?

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 11:14    Post subject:  

Aitch wrote:
...

We have tried to get improvements to the forum/search, as you aren't the only complainer, but it seems phpBB has some limitations.....

John Murga may be the guy to make suggestions for changes, to....?

Aitch Smile


As has been amply demonstrated, I'm in no position to complain. So I'm merely trying to understand and perhaps help clarify the limitations and quirks of the forum software.

In order to make plausible suggestions to the forum's owner I'd have to know something about the available options for reconfiguring or replacing the forum software, the technical difficulties and costs thereof, and the economics of running the forum. And I'm quite sure there are many forum participants far more qualified and much better positioned in the community hierarchy to make such suggestions than I'll ever be.

So my inquiries are focused on learning to use the forum most efficiently as is, without ruffling too many feahers...

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 15:07    Post subject:  

Nice little applet.
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PostPosted: Tue 15 Dec 2009, 15:39    Post subject: disappearing post
Subject description: e-mailed new post notice can't find topice
 

On December 9th, I got the following notice in my gmail inbox:

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Hello,

You are receiving this email because you are watching the topic, "Google Translate blocks IP address for "automated queries"" at Puppy Linux Discussion Forum. This topic has received a reply since your last visit. You can use the following link to view the replies made, no more notifications will be sent until you visit the topic.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=370322#370322

If you no longer wish to watch this topic you can either click the "Stop watching this topic link" found at the bottom of the topic above, or by clicking the following link:

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=48423&unwatch=topic

--
Thanks, The Management


But when I click on the link, I'm forced to log in to the forum (not usually required to view a post), after which I get the following error message:

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The topic or post you requested does not exist

Click Here to return to the Index


In fact, if I search in my topics, I find that the topics is still listed, but the latest post is my own (which would not have triggered a notification e-mail), and the only other responses, by abushcrafter and Aitch, preceded it on the same day, November 26th (NOT December 9th).

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PostPosted: Tue 15 Dec 2009, 16:51    Post subject:  

The post which triggered the email was spam, and somebody removed the spam before you attempted to view it.
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Dec 2009, 16:22    Post subject: SEARCHING; Ways to search the forum for problems/solutions
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PostPosted: Thu 17 Dec 2009, 17:10    Post subject:  

I think there was a post about that recently (within a week, probably three days or so ago) that referenced an older thread. I didn't read about how they actually did it, but if they used wget (which is very likely), you could modify the code to give wget the --wait=SECONDS option, where you replace SECONDS with a number. For example --wait=2 would cause it to wait two seconds after downloading each page before downloading the next.


By the way: people will be more inclined to help if you post when sober.

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