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gposil


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PostPosted: Mon 02 Nov 2009, 19:13    Post subject:  
From Barry's Blog
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Notes for 4.4 developers
Just a couple of quick notes, while I think of it.

OpenSSH package in 4.3.1 is too old (4.7p1). It doesn't support SSH v2.


Dpup already uses 5.1p1, which is SSH2 compliant...so don't worry
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Nov 2009, 20:35    Post subject:  
gposil wrote:
vtpup
The functionality you refer to with regards menus and interfacing is all available in GNOME, but the price we would pay, is a distro that is a minimum of 300-350Mb ISO, not 100-150Mb we have now...Choice, You can add the GNOME desktop to your Dpup if you want, just don't expect it to be as small and fast..
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Yes gposil, I'm aware of and have used gnome and kde. I don't believe they (and their 200 additional megabytes) are the only possible ways to achieve the menu item drag and drop functionality I mentioned.

The strategy I outlined is also not the same as /usr/share/applications, which is a partial catch-all, with programs and links actually appearing all over the filesystem. A /menu as I outlined would add very little to the overall size of an OS, and provide a map to all of those disparate program locations. In other words it would resolve the constellation of the filesystem.

Menus, or if you want to call them that, program launchers, could be more economically built because of the unified links presented by the /menu directory. They would be little more than pretty filtered viewers of the menu directory (and its icons) , and the ability to drag and drop icons from or to such a viewer (or the /menu directory itself) is already built into the filesystem -- so that won't add overhead either. What I was suggesting was something that simply works with what we have already.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Nov 2009, 23:05    Post subject:  
vtpup
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The strategy I outlined is also not the same as /usr/share/applications, which is a partial catch-all, with programs and links actually appearing all over the filesystem. A /menu as I outlined would add very little to the overall size of an OS, and provide a map to all of those disparate program locations. In other words it would resolve the constellation of the filesystem.


/usr/share/applications is not a partial catch-all, it is the whole ballgame...if there is no entry there, there is no menu item.

I totally understand where you are coming from, but with the tools at hand (JWM and ROX), there is no tight integration between them, it would need a total re-write of JWM to gain the degree of functionality that other Window Managers provide....

The menu system you speak of, is exactly the way GNOME and Nautilus speak, in the GNOME environment, and yes GNOME has both /usr/share/applications and /usr/share/menu...which dpup has, but is not operative unless you have a Window Manager installed, that uses it.
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Nov 2009, 23:31    Post subject:  
I`m wondering why Dpup shows so much ram usage?
Code:
losetup /dev/loop0
/dev/loop0: 0 /mnt/dev_save/dpup482/dpup-482.sfs

free
              total         used         free       shared      buffers
  Mem:       254532       154304       100228            0        26188
 Swap:            0            0            0
Total:       254532       154304       100228

This is just after bootup with only rxvt running.
"losetup" shows the SFS file is mounted from the boot drive and not in ram.
The amount used is just a little over the size of the SFS file.
Is it the variable size initramdisk taking up the space?
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PostPosted: Mon 02 Nov 2009, 23:53    Post subject:  
sunburnt,
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Is it the variable size initramdisk taking up the space?


Well spotted, yes Dpup's initial ramdisk is larger than std Pup.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 03:41    Post subject:  
More upgrades for beta5..

The old screenshot utility has had a makeover, incorporating mtpaint back into the mix, with a few new features.

If you choose an immediate capture you have the choice of full screen or window or dragged area...very handy...and all opens in mtpaint so you can save it however you like...
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 04:23    Post subject:  
Ok wbar-setup testers, we are now up to version 0.0.5

Changes...
    -the window for Configuration now opens to the right ... please test this, I want to see if it works with a variety of screen sizes, mine is 1360x768... works with that. Your screen size should be auto detected. The reason for this is because rox windows usually open on the left, it is difficult to harness control over that... but that is what I am working toward.
    --the window for Add Icons now opens to the right.. same reason as above


Enjoy

(er sorry vtpup it doesn't meet your expectation, what you want would be nice, but with bash, which is what I'm coding in, highly unlikely, even in C it would be. It is a limitation of the wbar program, and if it weren't it would be much, much larger)
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 05:50    Post subject:  
gposil wrote:
More upgrades for beta5..

The old screenshot utility has had a makeover, incorporating mtpaint back into the mix, with a few new features.

If you choose an immediate capture you have the choice of full screen or window or dragged area...very handy...and all opens in mtpaint so you can save it however you like...


Hi Gposil, maybe you might like to try Pup-shots, its a Gui I made for scrot and user MHHP added some really good features, Its a lot smaller on dpup due to the fact dpup has Imlib2 which 2.14X didn't.
Also the Gui detects your screen size, so if you have a large screen it will automatically display the gui with large icons, and if you have a small screen it will display with a small icons and less text.
Its probably the most full feature pimped-out screenshot application that Linux has lol.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 08:00    Post subject:  
ttuuxxx...it doesn't need scrot either, that's already in Dpup...the current screenshot app uses it..
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 08:20    Post subject:  
gposil wrote:
ttuuxxx...it doesn't need scrot either, that's already in Dpup...the current screenshot app uses it..


LoL I never figured that you would have scrot in Dpup, so I didn't look for it. Its not a common app. wow so it will be a lot smaller now. In 2.14X the pet was 397kb in dpup 14kb ,lol
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 08:30    Post subject:  
tell you the truth most times I just open a terminal and type
mtpaint -s
Its quicker than using a menu link
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 08:43    Post subject:  
Dpup's screen shot tool is not a menu choice but a single click on tray button....so it's quick and convenient.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 12:08    Post subject: dpup
Subject description: md5sum checking		  
Hi,

does using wget -t0 -c ensure a good download ?

If not we should be able to find the md5sum for every .iso you make available.

I've searched around dpup download sites and no md5sums.

Please Explain.

Regards Tony.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 12:19    Post subject:  
Tony

It is usually right under the download link. The title of the md5sum is truncated so you might not realise.

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PostPosted: Tue 03 Nov 2009, 14:27    Post subject:  
Still thinking about how to do drag/drop menus and Puppy at low overhead cost, but will create another thread elsewhere.

Other notes:

I was able to confirm that when using a liveCD and saving a new personal savefile, while clicking "No" to saving the puppy.sfs, the .sfs is NOT saved.

However on rebooting from the liveCD, the boot process DOES save an .sfs automatically. Thus defeating the purpose of the negative answer in shutdown. An earlier poster said he had trouble when this happened with a partition too small to accommodate the .sfs, In that case a partial save occurs, and on subsequent reboots he experiences crashes. The trigger seems to be the existence of a psf.

01Micko, I'll test out the the latest wbar and post back the steps. Thanks for providing and working on this app.
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