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Béèm


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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 19:47    Post subject:  

vtpup wrote:
Béèm wrote:

I then tried both beta's with pfix=ram.
In both, I got to the keyboard selection panel, but no keys of the keyboard did work, so I couldn't select my Belgium keyboard. Even enter to select the us keyboard didn't work.

Keyboard and mouse are wireless devices, but up to now this hasn't been a problem as it should be transparent.


I'm wondering if the Belgian language keyboard problem is related to the numlock-on problem. Keyboard mapping may be a key to the problem.
From 2.xx on I run puppy and didn't have any problem with it's support. All keys are fully supported.

This is the first implementation of puppy I have a problem with right in the beginning on selecting the keyboard.

And for numlock-on after boot there is a solution.
I don't find for the moment, but some file has to be adapted.
If I remember well, this fix has been out for more then a year I think.

My MD8818 running upup466 has numlock-on after boot.

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PostPosted: Fri 06 Nov 2009, 20:55    Post subject: Beta 3 and Thinkpad R40  

I tried now the beta 3 on the Thinkpad R40.

Still with pfix=ram

This time at the selection panel of the keyboard, the keyboard keys did work and I could select the Belgian keyboard as well as the display settings.

I did get to the desktop now with a working mouse (track point), but the keyboard is weird.

The numeric keypad on the keys 7 8 9 u i o j k l , is activated. Never got that in any other puppy. As I didn't find how to revert to the normal state, I can't type è ! ç u i o j k l , which is very annoying.

I can setup the connection to internet and dillo is working.
However FireFox doesn't load.

Also at the end of the session I don't get the panel to create a save file. I get the message puppy not saved or something the like.
This is a long time outstanding flaw, which apparently pop's up with certain implementations.

So far for my Lenny experience on the R40

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 00:01    Post subject:  

Hello Béèm

A question, have you run Barry's 4.3.1(2.6.30.5) on your MD8818 yet, if you have could you give me a report of your findings...

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 05:02    Post subject:  

OK..here's our new improved Dpup Control Panel, now with menu entry...and a few more tricks(i'll explain those on release)...it's only 800k smaller than the the old one...that's a bit of "fat trimming"...
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 05:55    Post subject:  

Béèm wrote:

And for numlock-on after boot there is a solution.
I don't find for the moment, but some file has to be adapted.

From notes I took some years ago ( so, not sure if this is still applicable..):

Add "xsetnumlock" to line 2 in xinitrc
(files>root>hidden)
and save.

Hope this is what you were looking for.

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 07:48    Post subject:  

Two quick questions:

1. Since beta5 is now on a long time frame, just wanted to ask, gposil, if apt-get / synaptic with the improved database you worked on is available / could be made available separately? Would be great, that's what I've been waiting for ... Smile

2. I am using beta 3 (and again apologies in case this is not a bug in beta 4) and have found that nothing in the /etc directory seems to be being retained... not new files, or changes in /etc/passwd, or changes in /etc/rc.d/rc.local (even if the last is made executable).

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 08:18    Post subject:  

shankargopal

You are correct, for whatever reason, Barry made the pupsave file not save anything from the /etc directory, I see the reasoning for this in standard Puppy, but to be fully Debian compliant, we need to save not only the /etc directory, but also the /var directory....This has been addressed for beta5. Of course if you have a full install this does not affect you.

As to APT and Synaptic, yes, APT will be available as an sfs in a week's time, along with a pet for Synaptic, but it will only work successfully on pre-beta5 with a full install. After beta5 is released it will be suitable for frugal and std pup-save installations. It will not work on non-dpup Puppies.(without major changes to their structure).

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 08:26    Post subject:  

gposil wrote:
shankargopal

You are correct, for whatever reason, Barry made the pupsave file not save anything from the /etc directory.


But this doesn't seem to be true on other Puppies... for instance, my specific context is installing and running dovecot as a local email server. I have been doing this since Puppy 3.0 (up to 4.1.2), and since dovecot requires additional users to be added and I use its 'passwd-file' authentication system, a lot of changes are made in /etc. They all seemed to be retained. Have only noticed this phenomenon in dpup.


gposil wrote:

As to APT and Synaptic, yes, APT will be available as an sfs in a week's time, along with a pet for Synaptic, but it will only work successfully on pre-beta5 with a full install. After beta5 is released it will be suitable for frugal and std pup-save installations.


Great. Since mine is frugal, guess will have to wait for beta5.

gposil wrote:

It will not work on non-dpup Puppies.(without major changes to their structure).


Now, even I would never think that THAT was possible... Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 08:28    Post subject:  

shankargopal wrote:
gposil wrote:
shankargopal

You are correct, for whatever reason, Barry made the pupsave file not save anything from the /etc directory.


But this doesn't seem to be true on other Puppies... for instance, my specific context is installing and running dovecot as a local email server. I have been doing this since Puppy 3.0 (up to 4.1.2), and since dovecot requires additional users to be added and I use its 'passwd-file' authentication system, a lot of changes are made in /etc. They all seemed to be retained. Have only noticed this phenomenon in dpup.



One other thing comes to mind - if /etc was never retained, how would one make changes in rc.local (which is in /etc/rc.d/rc.local)?
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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 09:39    Post subject:  

shankargopal

/etc/rc.d and /etc/init.d were saved....but it matters little now, as all /etc and /var sub-directories will be saved...

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 10:01    Post subject:  

gposil wrote:
Hello Béèm

A question, have you run Barry's 4.3.1(2.6.30.5) on your MD8818 yet, if you have could you give me a report of your findings...

Cheers
Guy
Gposil,
I did run the 4.3.1 onthe R40 and it worked flawslessly. No weird keyboard behavior, but didn't try on the MD8818 yet.

I did so and I have the same issue not being able to move the selection of the keyboard with the keys. Enter to take the us keyboard doesn't work either.

Sound familiar, isn't it?

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 10:08    Post subject:  

Bert wrote:
Béèm wrote:

And for numlock-on after boot there is a solution.
I don't find for the moment, but some file has to be adapted.

From notes I took some years ago ( so, not sure if this is still applicable..):

Add "xsetnumlock" to line 2 in xinitrc
(files>root>hidden)
and save.

Hope this is what you were looking for.
Bert, thanks for the tip, but I was replying to vtpup who raised something about it and I knew I had to edit some file.
Could be the xinitrc.
In that file I have at line 144 numlockx on.
That does probably the trick for me.

EDIT

I found the thread with the solution.

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 19:49    Post subject:  

Hi gposil

I have this really weird bug with the $HOME (ie '/root') directory. When I've been working in a directory for a while (which I have been doing quite a bit lately) it seems that $HOME is pointed to that directory. Not only that, if I run a script that points to $HOME I get errors such as "no such file or directory". An 'X' restart fixes it.

It is apparent in Rox too, that is, if I click the 'home' icon the directory I've been working on opens. It is also apparent if I open a terminal (mrxvt or urxvt) where the default directory is the directory I've been working in, it doesn't matter what the directory is... weird behaviour. I'm trying to track it down but admittedly I haven't spent much time on it, my gut feeling is that it is to do with Wbar or the Wallpaper setter or it might be a conflict between Debian and Puppy, but it is just a guess.

Has anyone else noticed this? You won't unless you are working in a directory for quite awhile.

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 20:11    Post subject:  

Mick, that behaviour started with the intro of Wbar the fix is not in beta4 but is in beta5, all you need to do is the following.

In /root/Startup/wbar, add cd $HOME at line 2.

and in /usr/local/apps/Wallpaper/set_bg, change cd / to cd $HOME at line 44.

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PostPosted: Sat 07 Nov 2009, 20:22    Post subject:  

Thanks for quick reply

I was beginning to think it was something I introduced Laughing

Do I recall you covered this early in the thead? (If so Embarassed )

Anyhow this is how I thought I introduced it...
Code:
APP_DIR="`dirname $0`"
[ "$APP_DIR" = "." ] && APP_DIR="`pwd`"
export APP_DIR="$APP_DIR"


That code is at the top of some of the wbar-setup scripts, is a well used piece of code as you know, but the identical code is at the top of "/usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/AppRun.... (see what I'm thinking).... but then that threaory leaks like a sieve because that would not affect anything running in the shell.

Rolling Eyes Laughing

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