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I thing about a puppy like system in foreign language
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oui

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 17:49    Post subject:  I thing about a puppy like system in foreign language  

Hi!

For native English speakers it can be see as completely normal that each software has to be on English Laughing

For millions of non English speakers it is completely different Idea

I say it without pathetic or emotion: my grand-ma was English. But I did live in the part of France where people learn traditionaly German (Easten of F.) so that my English is poor and bad because I did never learn English at school or systematic... Wink My children did visite the English kindergarten and speak English like native English people. "I" am the problem!

And I can't read English very fast.

But other people can't read English at all!

French people have no problem: they have Mandrake Linux of course. And Mandrake move. Both are best Linux addresses! But they are also really heavy distributions. All is heavy. If you need a little letter with only, you have to start the big linux distribution and to start the big Open Office. Etc. I find it nearly ridiculous... The approach of puppy is 1000 time more realistic (I regrett my old laptop: it was possible to save the complete system on the disc at the end and only to turn the power directly off after that! and the next day it wasn't necessary to restart all the system: only load the saved last situation from harddisk and continue the same session, days and days and days along; it is really enough to write 5 row of text each day in a letter and see the daily emails!)

For this reason I think about to make a completely free distribution in a more accessible language for the most European people and speakers of European languages different from English oversea (Spanish, Portuguese, French, etc.). For that, I have a friend, he is a really very great Linux expert in his position as chief-webmaster in an important public university in Europe. And he is an absolute Linux fan. I will ask him to be so kind and to help me.

I don't will to copy Puppy, you see:

a/ I will not use English at all in the only one distribution but an neutral international language (Interlingue because the most European people inclusive English speakers can read it without great difficulties completely without to need to learn this language; it is the only one solution with this propriety what can reach so much people!)
b/ I would like to use only Debian packages and always prefer open source software where available (because of changing the tongue!)
c/ I would like to start linux without screen statements and only save errors in an error file (I find Linux a little silly dilly in this mater: the start is so long and the enorm quantity of text indications scrolls so fast, that you can rarely read and use the informations)
d/ I would like to make the session restartable the next day (and more days of course!), like on my old laptop
e/ I find the ram disk way really good (1.
f/ I find it is not necessary to propose different software with exactly the same function in the same distribution. a package service is enough (2.

Puppy proposes an excellent choice of software but to much different software for the exactly the same purpose... why?

(the old Puppy versions were better under this aspect!)

what is your opinion?

kindly

oui

(1 10 years ago I had an old laptop and no money and no cd-rom. and the hard disk did break. Catastrophal. I did use more than an year the computer completely without hard disk with a MS windows 3.11 environment with "all on only 3 floppy disks" and RAM disk: system, all applications that I need (including non usual applications like music notation editor etc.) and all my usual data! and the other data on specific floppy discs. and I am not alone: http://dosbbs.2ya.com proposes now Win3.1 with DOS 7.1 for big harddisks and long file names on 1 floppy (I didn't need any harddisk - I didn't have HD any more!)

(2 and the Debian packages are the better than the other because they are better accessible.
One editor is enough. One browser is enough. And if the text processor can process pure text files, you don't need an editor at all (exception: it would be an extremly compact programms, editor or other, like the editor "TheGun" under MS-Windows: only 7 kb, I suppose it uses an external ressource from MS-Windows better than Notepad.exe itself, but can handle in pretty windows mode with text or HTML files with more than 1 Gb; Notepad can't big files)!

but if possible, I would prefer a system with Wine integrated by start or where Wine is present because it is really usefull... especially in a minimal system like puppy! why? because in the most cases a MS windows is also on the hard disk, I thing, and can help: it is a great deception to work hours and hours at different points in 20.000 or 40.000 rows (I have dictionaries to sort in spreadsheet with this among of rows) to actualize or change different entries with a spreadsheet with restricted possibilities used only because you are a fan of the idea of Linux, and to see to late after that, that the goal is not operable...

a spreadsheet is a terrible time killer instrument if it is a cribble version. bad spreadsheets can generate a terrible data confusion.

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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 19:30    Post subject:  

You are welcome to create your own distro, and use ideas from Puppy.
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PostPosted: Sat 18 Jun 2005, 22:43    Post subject:  

Have you considered Esperanto? Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2005, 05:00    Post subject: thank you very much Barry!  

BarryK wrote:
You are welcome to create your own distro, and use ideas from Puppy.
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PostPosted: Sun 19 Jun 2005, 06:10    Post subject: esperanto and interlingue  

Flash wrote:
Have you considered Esperanto? Smile


Hi Flash

Yes, of course!

If you see on this part on my main site http://esperanto.fr.tt/ , you will see a big work about esperanto (is not finish: I work each day at coffee time 1/4 hour on it! Its slow of course...). This work also explains directly only by showing a lot of difficulties encontred by an esperanto lover (but not completely fan): you need a computer prepared especially to manage E, you need an absolutely adequate software because of the "g^" etc... you can't always use your lovely browser (1

and the recipient of you E work also need the same. in the other case he will probably be worry about the "insects" that he sees on the screen or the paper that you did send to him... Shocked

The second very important point is that only extremely rare people can read E without learning.

On the other side, you can read Interlingue (ex Occidental), ISO short name IE, and a lot of speaker of latin tongues can read Interlingua, ISO short name IA, completely without learning (2

No language on the world offers more spontan comprehension without learning it than Interlingue IE:
English, Spanish, Portuguese, French
(= all Amerika, all Afrika, India, Australia etc.)
Italian, Roman, Hollands, Danish, Swedish, German, and with more difficulties the different slavic people depending of the writing
(= the main part of Europe and a lot of people in Asia) (3

so, if you don't know which language your correspondent can speak, you have always the maximal chances to be correctly understood in Interlingue. if you will reach a max. among of people with your informations, you have always the maximal chances to be correctly understood in Interlingue.

to write Interlingue, you need to learn it, of course, but it is absolutely easy and regular, and all the needed informations are free of costs on the web (yahoo groups Interlingue and Occidental, in the "files" division): dictionary in 8 european languages, extensiv grammar in interlingue itself (a second is on my website). and interlingue look traditional although completely regular: you don't see an artificial language at first but a completely normal occidental tongue that you can spontan understand...

E speakers can read interlingue without difficulty (may be they will only worry about the choice of the language! but it is an other matter...)

Interlingue seems like an English with regular pronounciation and conjugation, or an French with regular grammar and orthograf etc... (you can find such a description adapted to all European language, with the exception of magyar and greek but both learn always an other European language or latin). It would preserve English, Spanish, or French from a bad or uncompetent usage (as I do today) if it would be completely normal to better use a good Interlingue in a forum, a circle of people, etc. that to use the local language with a lot of errors like I do Wink !

kindly

oui


(1 my lovely browser is OffByOne from http://www.offbyone.com because he eliminates all the advertising without to need to do anything! no pop-up! no advertising on the border...! and it is small and fast. and it work in wine! a lot of good absolutely professionnal forums works with OB1. and different email services also, for ex. http://www.gmx.net , with 1 Gbyte free also in the free version and attachement up to 10 Mbyte ; only the spam's and the few advertissment messages of gmx itself can't be catched by OB1 of course: it is not the matter of a browser to change the content of a message box! OB1 works completely without ressource from MS IE! you can really erase IE from harddisk can of course only that operate what OB1 can: it is only HTML 3, and without java! but you can use OB1 from floppy disk in a system like mit cribble windows 3.1 on RAM disk, -I hope the new version works in Win3.1-! and OB1 is free... the only one big restriction for me, i am an engaged wikipedia user, is that OB1 has a really fun approach of visualisation of the English pages and can't handle correctly the other languages. so I need a second browser!

(2 The difference between both is that IA is really more latin. It can be more easy for Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Roman people. But it is really more difficult for "normal" user of English, Germanic and Slavic languages depending of her culture. If they also did try an latin language in the past, or if they have a good education where a lot of international terms are used, it can be possible that they can also understand IA without effort! but generally, IA is more for people really knowing a latin language. "Without learning" means not, that you don't need at all to look for the signification of different words (it is not possible in the own mother tongue! dictionaries are needed also in the mother language) but you will encontre no difficulty concerning the grammatical comprehension of the text! For example the terrible Accusativ in E. Different E speakers say "it is not important"; but it is not facultativ! Latest if E would be a normal speciality would the children unterstand that the teacher have to be of on other opinion...

(3 the creator of Interlingue was Russian-German, and was later Russian marine officer. But he didn't compromite the system with more slavic influence on the language: the grammar is really adequate enough for slavic people and he did consider that all the well educated slavic people did try to learn an occidental language in her life and it is not important witch one and enough for the purpose!
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