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Can't save multisession back to CD
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bingoldsby

Joined: 31 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2006, 17:35    Post subject:  Can't save multisession back to CD  

A similar thread is not far below - but this is a little different.

Puppy 1.0.7 Standard Mozilla - CD Burner - DeepBurn (last one tried)

I have tried this several times and each time I run through the MultiSession setup and try to get it to go back on the (or another) cd, it can't or won't.

The message always involves the word "DVD" burner and says that a DVD-r is recommended. I did not burn the last iso on a dvd drive, yet it still says it's going to record back to a DVD and then it claims that the DVD is full and to insert another DVD. And the same error messages come back and no recording takes place.

There are other annoyances - like the inability to use a USB keyboard, write a live cd with a usb external dvd burner and then sucessfully boot in that drive again, and the tendency for the keyboard layout to be wrong and unchangeable. But I'll either be able to rewrite a live cd in my standard cd burner or I'm going to quit trying on this thing altogether.

After several years of trying to get started on some kind of Linux, I thought this was going to be the one (still do), but it seems every time I try, I get hung up on some aspect of the installation at the beginning.

Hope there's a solution and that I didn't pass up some obvious information here that could help me - I looked back three pages of posts in this section.

Thanks, lots,

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2006, 19:49    Post subject:  

I managed to install Puppy to my Windows XP Pro drive. It went ok except that the installer kept wanting to download 1.0.5 and couldn't. Then I transferred to iso file to (1.0.7) to the installers folders, but still couldn't make it work. I finally renamed the 1.0.7 iso file to 1.0.5 and it did extract and install...

But, ICK!!! The program loaded from the HD looks completely different. The Icons are terrible - the images within boxes and grey behind the lables. And the awful (I mean sickening) orange color of the rest of it is seemingly unchangable 0 or I surely couldn't find a way to do it.

Anyone know what gives on this? Hopefully.

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2006, 20:13    Post subject:  

Couldn't edit the last post because I wasn't logged in as me when I made the first reply (to myself?) Hope this dialog with myself isn't the only way for me to communicate and get help.

Anyway, I did find a change in the awful orange when I rebooted after changing a theme of some kind, But the icons are still horrible. Is there some way to modify them or get icons that look like the ones from the live-cd boot?

How about icon size and spacing?

And... because the HD install caused the loading to not be able to find the (something or other file - I'll learn these names in a while, I hope), the loading stops and wait for me to press enter to continue - looking for that file in another location. Is there a way to change the hold up?

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2006, 22:43    Post subject:  

Well, hmmm...

I just did the same HD install on my laptop (from whence this comes now) and it looks beautiful. The icons are just as they looked when starting from the cd. Perhaps I have something going on with graphics (xvesa - xorg) stuff.

Go figure!
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PostPosted: Tue 31 Jan 2006, 22:44    Post subject:  

(gotta get this login thing straightened out)
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PostPosted: Wed 01 Feb 2006, 01:08    Post subject: Can't save to multi-session CD  

Is it possible that CD was not burned as multi-session when first created?
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb 2006, 16:39    Post subject: Can't save to multi-session CD  

I've had this problem, too. I too have had this problem,and sort of I solved it. The writing of the next session went ahead and worked - but then I found another unrelated problem. Multisession Puppy is very much sill under development (beta). The solution involves editing a shutdown script and perhaps remastering the multisession CD.

I also have written instructions for solving the USB keyboard problem. That solution also involves remastering the multisession CD and editing a different script. Since the solutions may involve similar processes, look at this link to the USB keyboard solution: http://www.murga.org/~puppy/viewtopic.php?t=5042

I'll get more information on solving this CD/DVD detection problem and post it next week.
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PostPosted: Thu 02 Feb 2006, 22:35    Post subject:  

Thanks for the replys. I have had a rough time trying to make it work on my desktop computer as a HD install (using the installer). The last go around, I started having problems with xorg and finally the thing wouldn't boot at all. That, after having removed the two files on C:\ and starting over with the install. It finally hung on the boot process and could go no further.

I'll be looking into your suggestion about the CD multisession thing. But I'll be much happier if I can get the more permanent installation on the HD going, I think.

Thanks again.

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PostPosted: Tue 07 Feb 2006, 16:10    Post subject: Can't save to multi-session CD  

Assuming that everthing else runs smoothly after the CD detection, remastering the CD shouldn't be necessary. I hope that provides a bit of relief.
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb 2006, 16:13    Post subject: Having the Same Problems with Multisession CD  

I've been having the same problems as have been described concerning the use of a multi-session LiveCD (Puppy demanding a DVD blank)--I've tried it several ways;

Burning it as a multi-session CD using the instructions in the 1.06rc text file as a shell script, using burniso2cd, using Graveman, using the GoldenHawk DAO utilities under Win95B (FILE2CD has a /multi switch), and letting Puppy try to burn a fresh CD at shutdown.

I've used more than one brand of CD-R media, I've tried a 90-minute CD-R, I've tried a CD-RW. Nada. It insists on a DVD blank.

For reference, my PC is a generic clone running on an AMD K6-2/300 mhz CPU, 256MB of RAM, and has a Cendyne 48x16 burner in it (who the OEM is, I haven't a clue). Needless to say, a 300 mhz machine isn't powerful enough to run a DVD burner, at least according to what I've read (700 mhz seems to be the minimum). I have a Cendyne 4x DVD burner that I could install and try if it might work, but I'd like to KNOW before I tried it.

I read in another thread that it might work if I ran the first session (before the first shutdown) and didn't mount anything. I've sent a PM to that person hoping for clarification.

Has anybody been able to overcome this "gotta have a DVD" problem? Or is it a matter that some people have success and some people don't?

Thanks!

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PostPosted: Wed 08 Feb 2006, 18:42    Post subject: Re: Having the Same Problems with Multisession CD  

Weeble wrote:
... For reference, my PC is a generic clone running on an AMD K6-2/300 mhz CPU, 256MB of RAM, and has a Cendyne 48x16 burner in it (who the OEM is, I haven't a clue). Needless to say, a 300 mhz machine isn't powerful enough to run a DVD burner, at least according to what I've read (700 mhz seems to be the minimum). I have a Cendyne 4x DVD burner that I could install and try if it might work, but I'd like to KNOW before I tried it.

I think manufacturers recommend the faster processors because they figure you're going to be watching DVDs and maybe even editing videos and such with their DVD burner. Doing those things requires a high speed processor. If all you want to do is burn some files, I'm pretty sure a 300 MHz processor is fast enough.

Weeble wrote:
I read in another thread that it might work if I ran the first session (before the first shutdown) and didn't mount anything. I've sent a PM to that person hoping for clarification.

Has anybody been able to overcome this "gotta have a DVD" problem? Or is it a matter that some people have success and some people don't?

Thanks!

I recommend that you install your DVD burner and try a multisession DVD. Multisession DVD seems to be much more reliable than multisession CD. The worst that can happen is that you'll waste some time and a DVD-R.
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Feb 2006, 16:25    Post subject:  

I've overcome the "gotta have a DVD" problem. However, my solution is still a little buggy; my "error" message appears irrespective of whether or not I choose to burn the session. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Feb 2006, 16:28    Post subject:  

I'll try to get the solution posted next week.
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PostPosted: Sat 11 Feb 2006, 15:26    Post subject: Alternate Way to Save Settings?  

While waiting for a definitive solution for the problems with Multi-Session Live CD/DVDs, is there another way in which one can save their settings to their local hard drive, perhaps to pup001?

Right now, my PC's Windows95B setup has croaked, and at present my only way to get online is via Linux LiveCDs (I'm alternating between Puppy and MEPISLite). I know that MEPISLite has a feature where you can save the settings to a USB key (except that I don't have one and I'm not set up for USB anyway), but don't know how to save my settings from Puppy. It gets kinda old configuring everything from scratch every time. I'm using Puppy 1.0.7 Mozilla right now, BTW.

Is there a way to save them that I don't know about? I'd appreciate the help.

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PostPosted: Sat 11 Feb 2006, 22:11    Post subject: DVD brands make a difference  

Word Warrior wrote:
I've overcome the "gotta have a DVD" problem. However, my solution is still a little buggy; my "error" message appears irrespective of whether or not I choose to burn the session. Rolling Eyes


I have the same issue with a set of DVD-R's from HP. I only use those for full once only backup. The 'rules on mulisession are encoded on the DVD media'
top DVD manufoactors include Sony, Philps, panasonic, and memorix ( in small packs). The manufactor CMC vary wildly.
The use of DVD+R and DVD-+RW both will give the errors you discribe but are fixable as discribed in my other posts, like the single line full backup. I suggest you try that. And preburn the first save session in the same post. This will clearup non-DVD-R problems, but not if the media is forcing closed sessions. The closed session DVD will have a wide band covering almost half the disk.

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