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gposil

Now is the fat trimming stage...

Could we put together a list of what we want to remove from Dpup.

Cheers
Guy

dejan555 · Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 2407 Location: Montenegro

"Remove?" What does this mean? Laughing

Not sure, well, maybe you can strip few MBs if you cut some wallpapers and bmp/mplayer skins?
Also, we have 2 text editors and 3 console editors, not sure if we should remove any.
Hmm, what else... Idea

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7037 Location: qld

Hi

I did mention in the last thread about the extra unnecessary files in /usr/local/wbar-setup and that the old screen capture utility is still there, but that is only a matter of kilobytes, nevertheless, a kilobyte is a kilobyte. (hehe, I have a nice little replacement for 'pupTV' on the cooker which is smaller and more functional Wink

).

I suppose we could trawl through and find stuff, there could be double ups of icons and such (any image carries weight), perhaps delete one of the shutdown scripts (there are 2, I just checked in /initrd/pup_ro2), delete the seamonkey calls in /usr/bin.. there is probably heaps more... like I said, only kb, but every kb counts Wink

Will look for more..

Cheers

sunburnt · Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 4016 Location: Arizona, U.S.A.

I was looking for a proper thread for this Q, this is the latest...

gposil; Without going too far into details, I was wondering what parts
of Dpup are Debian and what parts are Puppy?
Basically; kernel, system files, boot scripts, menu utilities, apps., etc.

gposil · Posted: Fri 11 Dec 2009, 02:32 Post subject:

sunburnt,

Without getting bogged down...here it is in a nutshell

kernel, boot scripts, networking, JWM and some libraries/utilities are Puppy or compiled from source or written by me and others.

Apps(in general), system files, libraries and gnome core are all Debian (mostly Lenny, but some Squeeze and Sid apps)

The next beta will be upgrading to Squeeze for Gtk2, Glib2 and GLIBC_2.10.

Hope that gives you a general idea

gerry · Joined: 26 Jul 2007 Posts: 944 Location: England

Dpup only needs one of anything, eg terminal emulators, because if the one that is included is not your personal favourite you can easily install the one that is, from the umpteen in the Debian repos..

gerry

Béèm · Posted: Fri 11 Dec 2009, 09:34 Post subject:

I can agree with gerry's comment that one of each type is good enough.

f.e. for me on the internet side, ayttm and firefox could be left out. Dillo is good to start with. I use pidgin and Seamonkey instead. I know I could remaster, but would like to avoid it.

On the other hand, taking too much out limits the target crowd to people more technically knowledgeable and would deter newbees. They are used to install and go.

It would take more time to install a pretty bare version, but if there was a list of selectable applications one can construct a version to his personal liking. I think this idea has been raised earlier already somewhere here in a forum.

P.S. Wink

My first thought was to cook with olive oil to avoid too much grease, but that's not applicable here. Wink

clarf · Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Posts: 606 Location: The old Lone Wolf

Good day,

I didn´t found in Dpup any VNC client, tightVNC is not there like other Puppy versions are you going to put it back gposil?.

I used rmdesktop in my wotk with good results, it´s as fast and stable like the Miscrosoft Termial Service from Windows, great application please keep it Smile

and please add a small VNC client.

About the FAT, I would like to suggest that you focus your efforts to the Personal, Graphic, Calculate and Multimedia appl categories. In my opinion the Network, system and internet categories are just the necessary for home/work basic use of Dpup. Filesystem tools can be polished a little, many command line app could do the same job.

Thank you for the attention pleased,
clarf

sunburnt · Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 4016 Location: Arizona, U.S.A.

Thanks gposil. Sounds kinda like a jigsaw puzzle...
But I`m sure that will straighten and smooth out over time.
My hope is you`re intentions are for it to become more Debian.

Béèm · Posted: Fri 11 Dec 2009, 19:25 Post subject:

8-bit · Joined: 03 Apr 2007 Posts: 3033 Location: Oregon

If it is not in there already, please include Trio's SFS Installer.

sunburnt · Joined: 08 Jun 2005 Posts: 4016 Location: Arizona, U.S.A.

Beem; Nope... There`s already a Upup.
The thought is for it to be multi-user and more main-stream Linux.

8-bit; I think that`s what they`re planning...

gposil; It seems to me that most of the remaining problems are with apps.
Or maybe the problems were always pretty much with the apps.

### After the fat trimming perhaps a "BareBones" with NO apps.?
With a few no-union SFS file window managers, maybe no JWM and ROX.

gposil · Posted: Fri 11 Dec 2009, 23:37 Post subject:

Beta6 Changelog

What’s In:

New Apps:

Pwireless2
VNC client
SFS Installer

Upgraded Apps:

Pburn 3.1.6
Rox 2.9.1

Upgraded Libraries:

Glib2 2.22.2
GLIBC_2.10
Gtk2+ 2.18.3

Upgraded Scripts:

pup_event_frontend_d

-----------------------------------------------------------

What’s Out:

As yet undecided...........

Béèm · Posted: Sat 12 Dec 2009, 14:29 Post subject:

Iguleder · Posted: Mon 14 Dec 2009, 03:42 Post subject:

Consider using sstrip. Works only for executables, not libraries ... slightly "stronger" than strip.

I'm back to business, my distro's development is paused. I've read the dpup threads, I wasn't active in Puppy for some time, now I'm back.

- Any help needed with dpup? I wanna code something, I was thinking of a "run" replacement written in C instead of gtkdialog, because it is used when the system is stuck already ... Wink

- I can contribute some packages - BusyBox, Dropbear (a MUST in Puppy!), udev and some console applications, all from my distro. They're for i486 with i686 optimizations (-march=i486 -mtune=i686), a quick recompile is needed. The whole Dropbear is 190 KB, with server, client, scp, key generator, everything ... if I strip and sstrip it, it's just 160 KB. A true must.
- Try this -> http://advancemame.sourceforge.net/comp-readme.html to recompress all PNG images in dpup and the initramfs, plus PETs.
- A modified and improved GPicView instead of Fotoxx.
- Where's the 64-bit dpup?