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New Puppy websites, www.puptrix.org re-org this weekend
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Ted Dog


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Location: Heart of Texas

PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb 2006, 14:00    Post subject:  New Puppy websites, www.puptrix.org re-org this weekend  

New servers available:

www.puppylinux.net ( site for slowspeed connects )
www.puppylinux.us ( U.S. mirror site, Babbs can you host this, you already have majority of the files )
www.puppylinux.info (status site: may change purpose with .net)

I was shocked someone else did not snap up those domains, so I did to keep them in the family.

I am going to do some host/website re-org (consolated all my domains into puptrix big/fast & high bandwidth server this weekend) www.puptrix.org should not be affected, all others including co-education site www.hted.com & emails will be in flux.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb 2006, 20:11    Post subject: Consolidation  

Such extra domains can all point to a site with "topsite CMS" or similar directory script in place. We can use the site to consolidate access to Puppy resources. puppylinux.info and puppylinux.net can be pointed to one such website. I can help maintain the CMS if PHP and MySQL services are available in the site.

I have two domains registered, too: comp-pet.com and comppet.com. Just getting things ready for that day when Puppy enthusiasts can make use of branding or franchising ("puppypc" seems to have been done by someone else). That day could be soon.
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Ted Dog


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PostPosted: Thu 16 Feb 2006, 23:04    Post subject: Great if you have some time I have prepared for this Sat.  

all of those sites have MySQL (10 limit on ad-driven free hosts, 100 databases for Puptrix Host and all include PHP4)
If you could point me in the direction of the scripts to download I'll get the admin stuff setup.
I have had a request to the server help desk to allow host to host transfers which gFTP supports for those on the same hosting server farm (includes Babbs & Pizzasgood websites )-- WildWest/GoDaddy are the same hardware just different marketing styles WildWest partners with third party resellers.
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raffy

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PostPosted: Fri 17 Feb 2006, 05:21    Post subject: URL for download  

Here is a good one for indexing various resources for Puppy (might go to puppylinux.info???):

http://www.aardvarktopsitesphp.com/

Am wondering now whether puppylinux.net will be a good site for Puppy-in-education projects. In that case, we can put this one there:

http://www.dokeos.com/download/dokeos-1.6.2.tar.gz

(It is an easily deployed learning management system; it can be deployed in Puppy easily. It is European in origin and used in many K-12 schools [formerly, Claroline learning management system].)

Edit for JM: Maybe it's the new promotion/image Smile You're right, Claroline it will be.

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jmarsden


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PostPosted: Fri 17 Feb 2006, 05:41    Post subject: Re: URL for download  

raffy wrote:
http://www.dokeos.com/download/dokeos-1.6.2.tar.gz

(It is an easily deployed learning management system; it can be deployed in Puppy easily. It is European in origin and used in many K-12 schools [formerly, Claroline learning management system].)
It's off topic, but... why not just use Claroline itself? What does dokeos do that Claroline doesn't? I've heard of, read the docs for, and even installed Claroline... I'd not heard of dokeos until reading your post.

Jonathan
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puppian


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PostPosted: Fri 17 Feb 2006, 06:48    Post subject: Re: URL for download  

That's nice Ted Dog Smile
The links posted by raffy looks good too Cool

puppylinux.us (or .net) may be used to index (e.g. aardvark topsites php as suggested) various resources for Puppy

puppylinux.info can be a good site for Puppy-in-education projects (either Dokeos or Claroline).

I can help maintaining them if needed.

pupplinux.net (or .us) can mirror or be redirected to pupplinux.org

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babbs


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Location: Tijuana, BCN, Mexico

PostPosted: Sat 18 Feb 2006, 01:36    Post subject:  

I wrote a response to this message yesterday, but it got lost when the database here had problems... Esentually, I wrote that I almost took those addresses last year, but I felt myself unworthy to have them, hence puppyfiles.us.

I remember recommending some domain forwarding, I think I recommended:
-.info -> http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Status
-.us -> http://www.puppyfiles.us/
-.net -> http://www.puppylinux.org/

I think the domain forwarding is a good short-term idea until we have time to get the domains built. Ted - If you still need help once I'm done with the package manager site of mine, I'll be free to assist you with your sites.

From the puppyfiles.us server, I pulled a copy of grafpup-1.0.2 the other day from the grafpup server (I think), and I obtained 10MB/sec transfer speeds. It was oh-so-nice!

I recently registered two more domain names (I'm up to 15 now)... "bestlinux.us' and 'linuxiso.us'. I'm planning on building bestlinux.us as an advertising site promoting Puppy Linux, and I'm planning on building linuxiso.us as a site to be able to do some fancy Puppy stuff (my next really big project)... Wink

Well, I'm headed back to hacking at my code for my package manager site.

Babbs
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J_Rey


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Location: Northwest Florida, U.S.A.

PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 03:20    Post subject: mirroring the Puppy Web  

Well, I just discovered The Coral Content Distribution Network and it looks excellent! My initial tests showed it to be slow but it the more times the Coralized URLs are used the faster the response time. It has great potential for sharing the bandwidth load of our sites. So, I would like to request that the puppylinux.info subdomains redirect to the Coralized URL of our sites. Please implement/consider the following:

http://www.puppylinux.info/index.html should be a page that links to these important sites/pages:
http://dev.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.com.nyud.net:8080/
http://user.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.org.nyud.net:8080/user/
http://wiki.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.org.nyud.net:8080/wikka/
http://forum.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.murga.org.nyud.net:8080/~puppy/
http://chat.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.org.nyud.net:8080/wikka/PuppyLinuxIRC
http://download.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.org.nyud.net:8080/wikka/DownloadLatest
http://p2p.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.org.nyud.net:8080/wikka/PuppyP2PDistribution
http://news.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.com.nyud.net:8080/news.htm
http://purchase.puppylinux.info/ -> http://www.puppylinux.com.nyud.net:8080/download/downpage.htm#Purchase

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babbs


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 10:15    Post subject:  

I haven't read any of the documentation on using Coral, but I have concerns. My biggest concern is that search engines won't search/index the redirects with this kind of effort. I am also concerned that people will bookmark the non-standard URLs.

Thoughts?
Babbs
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jmarsden


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 14:05    Post subject:  

I am not sure that redirecting entire domains is the right approach to using CDN.

Instead, we might try to make individual download links for popular files between say 1MB and 50MB (note files over 50MB get no benefit from CDN at all) point to the .nyud.net:8080 style addresses and publicise those addresses in pages about where to get Puppy files from.

CDN has been around a long time and may not be quite as wonderful as it appears... it definitely used to have some reliability issues, though they may have been solved by now.

Jonathan
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J_Rey


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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 14:25    Post subject:  

The purchase.puppylinux.info results in a 404 not found error (URL typo). Also, I could help create the index page later. I'd suggest a link to this topic in the mean time along with the existing links. But for now, during this period of evaluation, I'll address/preempt some concerns with some key points I found :

"Coral is designed for static content" and "doesn't support cookies at all", so one couldn't use it to stay logged in at a site.

It is mainly for sharing the bandwidth load not mirroring the content: "CoralCDN does not provide archival storage of content, like google.com's cache or archive.org. Much like a web cache or "content accelerator" at ISPs, CoralCDN only keeps data temporarily in its file caches, either until the data expires or it is evicted (as may occur for unpopular data). As described above, CoralCDN will serve data for some maximum fixed period (24 hours) before checking back with the origin website. If the content at that site has changed, CoralCDN will fetch the new content afresh, replacing the old. If the origin site is no longer online or the particular content returns some HTTP error message, CoralCDN will only serve the old data for a short time (24 hours)."

When you click on some of the links in the listed Coralized URLs they continue using the CoralCDN but others just link to the normal URLs beyond that initial page.

Also, the suggestion I made to redirect the URLs wasn't meant to be in stone. These URLs can be well used for other purposes later, but for now I like to have them like this for evaluation purposes of the CoralCDN. Also, there are other methods of implementation besides just changing the URL in the browser. One could, for example, "rewrite inline links, such as for images, to have Coralized absolute URLs," or other server-side implementations that would preserve the normal URL.
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PostPosted: Fri 24 Feb 2006, 19:51    Post subject:  

Well, at the moment using the CoralCDN doesn't seem necessary according to Barry's comments on a related topic.
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