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Ray MK


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010, 06:42    Post_subject:  

Hi Henry

This is just an idea - not a certainty - but white-outs could be what's causing the loss of space in your save_file.

White-outs :-

Some time ago Big Bass made a white-out cleaner for his
412 Slaxer Pup. It should work ok with 413/431 etc.

I'll see if I can find a copy - or a link - and post it.

HTH - very best regards - Ray
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Henry

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010, 09:22    Post_subject:  

Quote:

Some time ago Big Bass made a white-out cleaner for his 412 Slaxer Pup. It should work ok with 413/431 etc.
I'll see if I can find a copy - or a link - and post it.


Thanks, Ray,

Interesting. Let me know if you find it,

Henry
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Henry

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010, 12:20    Post_subject:  

Henry wrote:
Quote:

Some time ago Big Bass made a white-out cleaner for his 412 Slaxer Pup. It should work ok with 413/431 etc.
I'll see if I can find a copy - or a link - and post it.


Thanks, Ray,

Interesting. Let me know if you find it,

Henry


I searched for .wh and found 95 files, probably the result of previous tweaking.

I manually deleted them all, and it seems to have fixed the problem. This is amazing!

THANKS!

Henry
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DaveS


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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010, 13:48    Post_subject:  

Henry, try adding the 'pfix=fsck' command to your boot parameter. This seems to stop/fix .wh files. If you are using Grub, the entry would look like this:

/431/vmlinuz pfix=fsck pmedia=atahd psubdir=431

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010, 14:07    Post_subject:  

Thanks DaveS will give it a try
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Henry

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PostPosted: Thu 18 Feb 2010, 14:10    Post_subject:  

DaveS wrote:
Henry, try adding the 'pfix=fsck' command to your boot parameter. This seems to stop/fix .wh files. If you are using Grub, the entry would look like this:

/431/vmlinuz pfix=fsck pmedia=atahd psubdir=431


Thanks, Dave, for that observation. It doesn't apply in my case as described above, however.

1. I use a live CD only, not a full installation, no grub.
2. My main objective here is to avoid rebooting as a way to restore lost free space.
3. pfix=fsck restores the lost free space but does not delete the .wh files, which are the problem.

Other than that - great Smile

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2010, 01:49    Post_subject:  

Hope it is ok to ask, how does one know one have these .wh files in pupsave? what do I use to look for them and to delete them?
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Henry

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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2010, 02:36    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
Hope it is ok to ask, how does one know one have these .wh files in pupsave? what do I use to look for them and to delete them?


Of course you might not have any, but it's easy to check. I just use pfind to search for .wh

This will tell you where they are. Go there with your file manager and delete them.

Henry
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PostPosted: Fri 19 Feb 2010, 23:03    Post_subject:  

Hi Henry

Finally - found them - hope they work.

regards - Ray
clean_whiteouts_daemon.pet
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Filename  clean_whiteouts_daemon.pet 
Filesize  2.65 KB 
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cleanup_memory.tar.gz
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Henry

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 00:55    Post_subject:  

Ray MK wrote:
Hi Henry
Finally - found them - hope they work.
regards - Ray


They do seem to. Many thanks! I first went back and read the relevant threads, and your concerns seemed similar to mine.

cleanup_whiteouts_daemon.pet appears in the package manger and presumably can be uninstalled if desired.

cleanup_memory I unarchived and placed in /mnt/home/ where it can be run when desired.
EDIT: On second thought I placed it in /root/Startup/.

I had not been even thinking about memory utilization, but the effect is very interesting. See the screen shot. (You'll have to mentally line up the columns.)
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 08:33    Post_subject:  

NOP is one of the best puppies.

To mount a usb drive in frugal install failed on puppy stardust for me.
Not sure what error I made.

but it works on NOP 431 so maybe that one will be my main puppie then.

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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 11:53    Post_subject: EXACTLY what I have wanted in a Puplet !!!
Sub_title: But a couple of questions:
 

Gray - Fantastic job, I love this version, and it will be my main distro for 2010.

A couple of issues I have that are not biggies, but I would like to get ironed out:

1) ccsm will not open. I have managed to work around this by editing the compiz .ini file; copy/pasting a few sections from the compiz .ini file from my Ubuntu partition, and moving a few plug-in xml files into the Puppy partition. This allowed me to get rid of the oh-so-annoying airplane animation, and replace it with the vacuum, also enable dodge, and the sphere deformation. It just would be a lot easier if ccsm ran.

2) pwidgets is not working. Is there a workaround?

3) This may not be applicable, but I cannot change the icon spacing on the desktop. In the past, with xfce, this could be achieved by editing the xfwm4rc file. When I looked, there wasn't one, so I created it with icon grid/spacing parameters, but it did not work, even on reboot. Let me know if I am missing something.

4) Lastly, and this is more of a question, how should an icon set be installed? I'm assuming I need to copy a set over, as installing a .pet would only be for jwm/ice. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Thanks again for a great puplet!
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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 15:16    Post_subject:  

Henry wrote:
Ray MK wrote:
Hi Henry
Finally - found them - hope they work.
regards - Ray


They do seem to. Many thanks! I first went back and read the relevant threads, and your concerns seemed similar to mine.

cleanup_whiteouts_daemon.pet appears in the package manger and presumably can be uninstalled if desired.


Actually, I am not sure that cleanup_whiteouts_daemon.pet works in my system - it appears not to. Hard to tell at first since I had already deleted them. Smile And whiteouts from trying to delete something that is in the .iso may be another matter.

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lvds


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PostPosted: Sat 20 Feb 2010, 21:47    Post_subject:  

Hi Gray,

Congratulations for your splendid puplet ! Very Happy
I have always loved XFCE but I have to admit it is really a great
combination when setup with puppy !!

I have been working with it on my own pc and I would like to ask
you some questions I didn't know how to answer myself:

1. in the directory listing I could find amsn.pet but I can't find any
pet or SFS for Skype latest version ; do you know where there is one
or could you build one please ?

2. though I love Opera and use it, in my country we have websites
providing online television that works only with firefox and vlc and
mozilla-vlc-plugin. I have tried for many months to find some other ways but
it seems we have to use this softwares ; it is not just for some web-tv,
these are the real country tv-channels like on cable or satellite network.
So, is there already a SFS ready to use with NOP for Firefox+vlc-plugin
and another SFS for VLC ?

3. maybe you remember I worked a lot too to produce a puplet based
on XFCE some years ago (named eXpand) and I would like to know
if you have a barebone version for NOP with only the minimal puppy
software plus XFCE ? ...maybe it would help a lot for future creations Smile

4. how did you make it ? did you start from another barebone or from
woof ? and if so how did you do it ? Razz

5. for easy inclusion into NOP, could you build some more SFS for the
following software: GnuPaint, gThumb, XFE, Rhythmbox please ?

Many thanks in advance for taking the time to answer me Embarassed
You made a great work and I hope I will have chance to learn more
tips so to build myself such good tools.

Best regards
Laurent

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PostPosted: Tue 23 Feb 2010, 15:33    Post_subject:
Sub_title: For Dell Mini 9 - Broadcom WLAN?
 

Tried running 4.31 NOP on a Dell Mini 9 - a gift from my sister - regular LAN is recognized but not the internal Broadcom Wifi - tried the version of regular 4.31 with Tempestuous's fix built in and it works - any plans to incorporate the fix into NOP? Thanks and keep up the good work!
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