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Béèm · Posted: Fri 05 Mar 2010, 09:41 Post subject:

Ok ttuuxxx, comprende.
Following a SeaMonkey news group, I'll raise this issue there for the SeaMonkey 2.0.3 (of which I made the screenshot)
I'll try to find out when SeaMonkey will act like FF.

ttuuxxx · Posted: Fri 05 Mar 2010, 09:50 Post subject:

Minnesota · Joined: 11 Sep 2008 Posts: 312

To add my 2 cents.....

I use Firefox exclusively in the x system.. except on rare occasions will I use IE.... I installed a puppy a year ago to a client out of town. They had someone load Firefox...as that is what they were used to as their main system has Firefox.

In other words.... much of the world is familiar with Firefox... especially refugees from the other side.

All that said... do you know off hand how much of the background code is the same? Is it possible to have both Firefox and Seamonkey in the ISO, if say 70-90% of the background code is the same? Assume for a minute it is the same, the extra overhead could be justified.

Béèm · Posted: Fri 05 Mar 2010, 10:14 Post subject:

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

the largest file is libxul.so and they are typically NOT compatible

it is possible to build without libxul and have quite a few compatible libs, but...

the increased size from all the extra individual libs negates a lot of that

it was planned for all mozilla components to be able run on a shared libxul, but I don't know if they will ever achieve it, because it no longer seems to be that important to the devs

there are quite a few other non-lib files that can be shared though (even by other programs - hunspell dictionaries for instance can be used by enchant via the myspell plugin if linked to /usr/share/enchant/{myspell,hunspell})

so... technically yes but not enough to make a big enough difference to include both... then we would just get a different set of complaints (I wanted to start FF but sm did instead and vice versa ... this is default not that - why? etc...)

Firefox-3.6 has been running great for me and all the kb shortcuts that ie users are used that don't work in sm work as expected by default (for example F5 to refresh and ctrl+enter in the address bar to add http:// and .com)

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope

I hope you chose FF as the default browser. Those who need seamonkey are good at installing things while the most immigraters from windows are not and do expect Puppy to have Firefox.

Just my two cents as we say.

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

All this talk about updates got me thinking - we really do not have an update notification system

It could be as simple as diff, wget and an updates file and a bash script.

update file at a fixed location containing:
|pkg1|url|description of update
|pkg2|url|description of update

cd ~/.updates

wget -c http://url.of/updatefile

[ `diff updatefile myupdates` != "" ]

#... parse the diff for new updates
#... show dialog for updates to install
#echo |pkg|url|description of update >>myupdates

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld

Hi, so Firefox looks like it, that's fine.

So what mail prog? Sylpheed? And Abiword does html editing?.. that should bring down the iso size without the seamonkey suite.

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

the update reminded me of my first Puppy project called "the Pound" after using Puppy for only ~6 months... the concepts eventually became integrated into the web desktop and abandoned, but I think the ideas could be integrated into an update menu similar to the way zigbert has the program menu setup... and go back to the traditional menu setup with submenus coming off of it instead.

If anyone wants a laugh at it, its still here:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=35999
(Note: it is barely alpha quality and will replace your jwmrc template so pfix=ram is advisable)

technosaurus · Joined: 18 May 2008 Posts: 3843

some firefox addons other than the traditional ones that have been in sm:

Puppy Personas
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search?q=puppy&cat=personas

System Video
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/83149
Modifies html5 video to use the old-style browser plugins, helpful for websites that use unsupported codecs.

MediaPlayerConnectivity
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/446
Allow you to launch embed video of website in an external application with a simple click ...

ImTranslator 3.3.3
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2257
ImTranslator includes Online Translator in 1640 language combinations and many text2speech as well

fasterfox
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/14833

foxtabs - 3d speed dial
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/8879

Google docs viewer
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/48971
view DOC, DOCX, PDF, PPT and TIFF

zoho tools
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3328
The extension works for .doc, .docx, .rtf, .sxw, .odt for Documents, .xls, .xlsx, .sxc for Spreadsheets & .ppt, .pps, .sxi for Presentation. The files get opened using Zoho Writer for document files, Zoho Sheet for spreadsheets & Zoho Show for presentations.

esmourguit · Posted: Sat 06 Mar 2010, 07:01 Post subject:

Bonjour à tous
Just information.
I just made an update from Seamonkey 2.02 to 2.03 in the same way as firefox. Update is automatic. We must restart Seamonkey after the update.
Such update is not possible with Seamonkey 1.x.x
Cordialement Wink

richard.a · Posted: Sat 06 Mar 2010, 07:12 Post subject: added to requests list

I also agree about Firefox. Those we are targetting use IE or maybe Firefox. NEVER Seamonkey. A few may remember Netscape which is where Mozilla came from, of course.

I have not been able to install Firefox to ANY 4.3 series. With a gig of RAM, whether Live or installed to a partition several gigs in size - it says insufficient memory. I have caps by the way). However 4.2/4.2.1 and the beautiful 2.14 with the VW, magnificent, and it will upgrade itself to 3.5.whatever with no fuss.

I don't accept that it does it automatically. It has always asked me.

Save space by not installing an email program. Provide two links for firefox - one for gmail login, the other for using the firefox "simple mail" add-on (and install it).

Install the Firefox add-ons called FireFTP and FlashBlock. The second will speed up installations on older boxen, and the first means you can leave out an FTP client

Leave out the IM client, and in its place do another firefox link to Meebo which is a cloud located multiple social networking client where THEY keep the configuration up to date. Yahoo changed again and I don't have an individual IM client on any system on any computer any more as a result. Someone on these forums criticised me for mentioning Gaim is dead some months back; well it doesn't bother me that much Smile

Install Skype. People who frequent the online environment use it. Not relevant if the devs would rather have something that is pure open source. People online use skype. It annoys me that I have to jump through hoops to install skype on puppy.

There are other points I could make but after last time I don't think I could bother. However I'm attempting to create a sort of standard old computer updating service and if anyone is interested to look, I have just an "advisory" front page at www.oldcomputersnew.southaust.net

I'll watch for a while and see if anyone comments

Richard in Adelaide

Béèm · Posted: Sat 06 Mar 2010, 09:09 Post subject:

ttuuxxx · Posted: Sat 06 Mar 2010, 09:51 Post subject:

nooby · Joined: 29 Jun 2008 Posts: 9392 Location: SwedenEurope

I kind soul did link me to a Seamonkey 2.something and I tried to get it taken on Choice pup but that did not work.

It was 15mb big as pet.