Puppy on Tablets

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Puppy on Tablets

#1 Post by Lobster »

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Looking at tablets such as the potential Crunchpad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CrunchPad
If powered by Intel atoms - how would tablets run Puppy?

Some ideas . . .

changed jwm to have max 8 virtual desktops and turned on autohide
used f11 to maximise Seamonkey

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on screen keyboard
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 772#261712

also needed
libXP-so.6.pet
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 654#356654
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beginning to think the wbar in dpup (and is also a separate component) can be accessed from keyboard
but . . . JWM menu can be brought up with f12

Until there is a device or touch screens become mainstream
it is difficult to offer potential solutions . . .

What are your thoughts?
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#2 Post by magerlab »

i think there's no prolem to run puppy on this tablet
even with jwm tray autohide
no need for wbar 'cause you can have all the launchers in jwm's tray

or even better use openbox with fbpanel or lxpanel( the latest version can autohide)

in openbox you can determine fullscreen or undecorate for any particular application ( i do this for opera for example)

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magerlab wrote:i think there's no problem to run puppy on this tablet
Thanks for possibilities.
It may not be Crunchpad that emerges as dominant (if at all)
but emerge they will.

One aspect that intrigued me (this is one of the features of Linux
and of smart phones and possibly tablets (never used one)
is the ability to scroll and save between open virtual screens.

So an open virtual screen is in a condition of last usage.
Are there any Puppys that have a resume mode?
A facility used on laptops . . .
I seem to remember there is some experimentation along this line . . .

One of the things possible with Icewm is dragging programs between
virtual screens on the taskbar.

Maybe we need to be in the future a little more.
Many of our technophile Puppys will be ready to
pimp their Puppy and build a Woof powered tablet . . .

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Guys here is another contender - watch the video
http://gizmodo.com/5471559/notion-ink-a ... -finalized

This again is ARM powered
uses a tracker on the back -- like that
It uses Android, Ubuntu or Chromium
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Wepad

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Guys
this wee Wepad could run existing Puppys as it uses the Atom processor - not ARM
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/19/app ... n-instead/

Do any of our German forum members have any insight/pricing?
German Android device has a bigger multitouch screen and a faster CPU than the iPad. Also it runs Flash, has USB ports, an inbuilt card reader and expandable memory. Additionally it allows complete multitasking and has a webcam
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Okay
Lobster,

I had a bit more time this am and found some more information for you.

The wepad is scheduled for market release in April. Prices are unknow so far, but are supposed to be below the iPad. Here are some pictures and German text
http://meedia.de/nc/background/meedia-b ... 23formular
A good indication for size here
http://www.youserbase.org/de/Mobile/neo ... d/Comments

About the OS it says on the first site
- Linux-Derivat mit Android als Betriebssystem
Betriebssystem meaning Operating System.

Also very interesting that neofonie is not the manufacturer, just the marketing outlet, so to speak. This company is supposedly the hardware supplier
http://www.4tiitoo.com/

You obviously have the specs in your link already. Note that the wepad has USB connections. So it should be able to accomodate a Puppy installation.

That's all for the moment, let me know if you need more.

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Thanks Wuwei (your name is my favorite form of attack in martial arts incidentally), 8)

Info appreciated.
It will be interesting which webpad becomes the major seller
This introduction of new technology process may take several years . . .
however gadget mania is now rife amongst the non-geek fraternity . . .

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Lobster wrote:One of the things possible with Icewm is dragging programs between
virtual screens on the taskbar.
You can also do it in JWM - right click and drag
a bit fiddly in such a small area

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Re: Wepad

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Lobster wrote:
Guys
this wee Wepad could run existing Puppys as it uses the Atom processor - not ARM
http://eu.techcrunch.com/2010/03/19/app ... n-instead/


Do any of our German forum members have any insight/pricing?
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There are no available, meaningfully Informations about the Wepad beside Copy and Paste - (or i am not able to find them).
Mostly an advertising campaign up to now.
Hundreds of almost identically articles.
Snow ball effect?

~ Based on Pegatron-Tablet
http://www.netbooknews.de/14752/wepad-h ... more-14752
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Update April, 12, 2009
http://www.androidpads.com/2010/04/12/t ... iller-yet/
"At the press conference they just showed a video running a Microsoft Windows (!) on their prototype device."
http://www.teczilla.net/wepad-ist-not-an-ipad-rival/424
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#11 Post by Lobster »

Thanks guys - interesting - we need to stay ahead of the hardware loop

One of the most expensive items on netbooks is the screen

Smartpaper webpads may well emerge - monochrome to start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_paper
We have a nice monochrome theme ready . . .
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#12 Post by amigo »

I'm all for anything which 'saucily offers the forehead' to the iPad -giggle-giggle

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#13 Post by puppyiso »

Maybe I am thinking small but I've heard that there are some touch screen MP5(that's how Chinese call them) with Windows compatable OS inside.

Does that mean we can run Puppy with the MP5s?

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This what I got from Chiese ad.

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#15 Post by Lobster »

I think you are right to look to China.
Cost decrease and increased functionality will be their specialty.

This 2.5 year old puppy (already Iphone savvy)
shows the need for a chewable tablet
- should be a programmer by 5/6 with further encouragement :)

http://laughingsquid.com/a-2-5-year-old ... irst-time/

I wonder how many Android phone manufacturers
will also scale up their phones
- and leave in the cameras and other features?
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Lobster wrote:Thanks guys - interesting - we need to stay ahead of the hardware loop

One of the most expensive items on netbooks is the screen

Smartpaper webpads may well emerge - monochrome to start
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_paper
We have a nice monochrome theme ready . . .
eInk displays are the current main choice for dedicated ebook readers like the Amazon Kindle, Sony Reader, and Barnes and Noble nook.

On the plus side, they are extremely power efficient. Once an image is painted on the screen, no power is required to preserve it. Battery life is measured in weeks. They are also easier to read than backlit LCD screens for a number of folks.

On the minus side, they have relatively slow refresh rates (forget video), are monochrome with 16 shade greyscale and resolution about middle of the pack, require an extra layer to be touch screens, and are relatively expensive. (A teardown done by an industry research firm of the Kindle assigned about $80 of the Kindle's cost to the eInk display and controller.)

Pvi, the outfit that was the main manufacturer of eInk screens, claimed to have a 12 bit color prototype in the lab in December 2006 which would go into volume production in 2007. It never happened, so I have to assume that it was either harder than they thought to move from prototype to production, or it simply cost too much for the intended market.

Lack of color support is a deal breaker for me.

Linux already runs on several ebook readers, including the iREx Iliad and the Barnes and Noble nook. It's not clear what Puppy might bring to the party on them.

If I were looking at bringing up Linux on J. Random tablet hardware, frankly, Puppy isn't where I'd start. I'd look at something like Google Android or Nokia's Maemo implementation.
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#17 Post by Lobster »

Thanks Dennis appreciate the info.

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#18 Post by jpeps »

DMcCunney wrote:
On the minus side, they have relatively slow refresh rates (forget video), are monochrome with 16 shade greyscale and resolution about middle of the pack, require an extra layer to be touch screens, and are relatively expensive. (A teardown done by an industry research firm of the Kindle assigned about $80 of the Kindle's cost to the eInk display and controller.)

Pvi, the outfit that was the main manufacturer of eInk screens, claimed to have a 12 bit color prototype in the lab in December 2006 which would go into volume production in 2007. It never happened, so I have to assume that it was either harder than they thought to move from prototype to production, or it simply cost too much for the intended market.

Lack of color support is a deal breaker for me.



Looks like eInk is expanding...hiring researchers in the Cambridge area as ebook sales amp up. Coming up with color technology is their first priority to compete with LCD readers (ipad), and prototypes (eg., Hanvon Company, China) should be available by the beginning of 2011. It's clear that the company is hoping to come up with something better than they already know about......

http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2010/03/1 ... ational/4/

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jpeps wrote:
DMcCunney wrote: On the minus side, they have relatively slow refresh rates (forget video), are monochrome with 16 shade greyscale and resolution about middle of the pack, require an extra layer to be touch screens, and are relatively expensive. (A teardown done by an industry research firm of the Kindle assigned about $80 of the Kindle's cost to the eInk display and controller.)

Pvi, the outfit that was the main manufacturer of eInk screens, claimed to have a 12 bit color prototype in the lab in December 2006 which would go into volume production in 2007. It never happened, so I have to assume that it was either harder than they thought to move from prototype to production, or it simply cost too much for the intended market.

Lack of color support is a deal breaker for me.
Looks like eInk is expanding...hiring researchers in the Cambridge area as ebook sales amp up. Coming up with color technology is their first priority to compete with LCD readers (ipad), and prototypes (eg., Hanvon Company, China) should be available by the beginning of 2011. It's clear that the company is hoping to come up with something better than they already know about......

http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2010/03/1 ... ational/4/
No surprise. PVI bought eInk a while back, which made me wonder what the future might hold. At one point, the growth of eBook readers was hampered by supply chain constraints, as PVI was the sole source of eInk screens. At the launch of Sony's Reader a couple of years back, eInk's VP of Marketing told me the technology had been licensed to other foundries, and supply chain constraints would not be an issue for things like the Sony Reader.

Then eInk was bought by their largest licensee. I assumed existing licenses of the technologies to other foundries would remain in force, but was curious about what might happen down the road. I'm not sure what direction eInk is going in for color support, though they obviously think hey have something. Other vendors like PixelQi and Plastic Logic are also targeting that space, so it ought to be interesting tio see which approach prevails.

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I should imagine nanotechnology and other screens will emerge. There is a need for better and cheaper screens and more efficient batteries. Interesting times ahead

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