Puppy Linux Discussion Forum

[nooby]

Take these rumors about Homeland Security having list of words that trigger investigations and tapping the phone of the person using the suspect words.

I have installed AntiX on my hdd.

Yes I know it is a very naive question and I do apology to all admirers and supporters of the coming Revolution.

But is it not a sure thing that if a Debian OS derivative get named after anti capitalist heroes and famous communists and anarchists and so on that they just have to install some thing by brute force into my computer. That is their job or work description. Tap anybody using the code words for being an enemy to the Homeland.

To me it is just a well working distro but to the Homeland Security it most likely get them firing on all engines?

Could someone having deep insight on these matters give a likely scenario? Will they realize me is only a user of an OS and not a Revolutionary planning nasty things against them?

[disciple]

I think as Linux people we generally have more reason to fear the government because we believe in "right-wing" things like freedom, not because we are leftists

[DMcCunney]

[Flash]

[KF6SNJ]

[amigo]

I sincerely doubt that the majority of Linux users are right-wingers.

[nooby]

Well my Dad was a Revolutionary Communist supporters so who knows they could still have me as the son of such on the list.

Freedom is high on both far Right and far Left. Maybe they mean different things with it. I try to stay outside of all politics.

I trust me is not important enough then.

[bugman]

actually there are plenty of right-wing linux users

[any excuse to save a buck, they need more bullets]

even though i would argue that individualism and a community-based system are philosophically at odds

but then the right does have its issues with hypocrisy . . .

[DMcCunney]

[DMcCunney]

[Lobster]

Lobster is a trigger word
http://www.lobster-magazine.co.uk/

I'll see if I can do some worrying about nothing for you
rather than wasting my time meditating on Nothing . . .

[bugman]

[DMcCunney]

[TheAsterisk!]

Right and left? Really?
Those are terribly inaccurate, even useless terms. Think about it.
An anarchist, invariably a supposedly leftist position, and a Libertarian, who would colloquially be referred to as right-wing, aren't that different. The anarchist just goes all-out.
Similarly, on the other end of the spectrum of power and control, communists and fascists are no different in practice, but are somehow supposed to be diametrically opposed, if you go by "left" and "right."

You can't conduct a clear debate with unclear language, and describing political philosophies with turn signals is nothing if not unclear and lacking language.
Four alternative terms work much better: authoritarian, libertarian (though the connotation might make a related term- work from "liberty"- more desirable), radical (promote change from current setting), conservative (preserve current setting), and moderate (somewhere between or based in compromise).
Similarly, I would argue that "fundamentalist" and "extremist" aren't necessarily bad terms. After all, if I refuse to compromise on my rightful freedoms, am I not an extremist, by definition?



@Bugman: Tin-hat classical liberals- like myself- are not out purely for individualism in the sense of isolation in wilderness or becoming hermits. We don't like centralized power, be that power held by government, social groups or corporations (I suppose I should include individuals, but they tend to draw power directly from association with one of the above).

Linux has a comparative lack of such central authority, and as a result I may retain (or feel like I retain) a greater measure of autonomy.
Certainly, it's a community, but it can't tell me what I may or may not do to the same extent a proprietary OS can, and several common copyright licences even guarantee me a measure of freedom rarelt found elsewhere.



As for the two opposed parties, which are more like competing snack-cake brands than determinants of political philosophy, both are authoritarian, though they justify their power grabs with different colors of bullcrap, and both seem to have a stunning disregard for the longevity and the stability of the states over which they preside.
All the politicians are to be distrusted, scorned and scrutinized. These are people who have openly admitted they'd like to tell others what to do, to have the power to wage war, etc. Be wary.

[DMcCunney]