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Firedog 1.2 - a smarter, faster, more stylish browser suite
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thelash
Joined: 07 Apr 2006 Posts: 40 Location: Eltham, NZ |
I'm on dialup on an IBM T22, and installed teenpup because I liked the look of the apps available. Opera is the default browser, but I've discovered that firedog with fasterfox is significantly faster than Opera10 turbo at loading pages - at least on dialup. I've also given ff3.6 a whirl on here, and it runs well but not as fast as firedog. Also starts with an annoying but harmless error message about a gconf file that I don't understand. Love the layout of firedog, and have enjoyed setting up the toolbars etc to suit my needs. Thanks very much! |
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Frank Cox
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 381 |
Thanks! |
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sc0ttman
 Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2359 Location: UK |
Glad you like it, it seems to be popular on dialup... And you're welcome Frank, hope this helped! _________________ Akita Linux, VLC-GTK, Pup Search, Pup File Search |
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Frank Cox
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 381 |
Hi Scott: I had all sorts of problems so I switched back to FireDog. It is significantly faster and the only problem I have is the annoying message on Google Docs that they soon will no longer support it. I will take my chances and stay with FireDog until I am forced to change. If I ever have to I will cut off updating as Firefox subscribes to the Peter Principle. They can't leave well enough alone. Thanks again! |
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DMcCunney
Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 894 |
It depends on what support you need. They are specifically dropping support for older browsers in Google Sites and Google Docs, because those products use newer web technologies not supported in Firefox 2.X. (They are dropping support for their own Chrome 3.0 as well.) FF2 is still supported in GMail (and they refactored the GMail code base to make IE 6 a fully supported browser. I don't want to think what that took to accomplish.)
Define "well enough". Firefox attempts to be standards compliant. Current emerging web standards include HTML5 and CSS3. Do you recommend FF stop in its tracks and not try to support them? Current FF development includes making plugins asynchronous in their own process, so if you are viewing something like Flash or a Java applet and the plugin crashes, it doesn't crash the browser. (This just came out of beta and is in FF 3.6.4.) The fundamental issue you are dealing with is that emerging technologies are outgrowing older hardware. My Puppy box has a <1ghz processor, 256MB of RAM, and a slow HD. I normally use a static build of SeaMonkey 1.1.19 when I browse from it for performance reasons. FF 3.6 runs, but it's slow to invoke and sluggish when up. There's a fair amount of stuff I just don't try to do from the Puppy box (like watch YouTube video) because it simply doesn't have the power for the task. I'm constrained by hardware. But I knew that going in, and don't gripe about it. I don't expect everything else to slow to a crawl because the box I run Puppy on can't keep up. ______ Dennis |
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Frank Cox
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 381 |
I can run windows or Ubuntu on my 3 gb processor with 2 gigs of ram and still have the same problem, I live in the sticks and Satellite is a jopke , to get a decent speed it is 200.00 a month and you still can't use it for voip.. . Do you have stock in Mozilla? :} |
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DMcCunney
Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 894 |
How hard? Very, which is why they don't. I was startled when they re-engineered GMail to be fully supported in IE 6. That's probably the least standards complaint browser in common use, and web developers tear their hair trying to support it and say fervent prayers every night that it will die horribly, soon. The only reason I can see them undertaking the effort is simply that there are an awful lot of IE 6 installations still out there, despite Microsoft's best efforts to replace it. (For example, large parts of Korea still use IE 6, because businesses that deployed it wrote Active-X controls specific to it, and prefer to stand pat rather than undertake the effort and expense of rewriting their software. So Koreans who want to do things like online banking are stuck with IE6.) I can only imagine what was required to do it, and shudder thinking about it.
You'll have to live without more than that. What you are asking for is one or both of two things: 1) For Google re-engineer it's code base to have two separate branches in things like Docs and Sites: one branch using newer technologies like HTML5, CCS3, and newer versions of JavaScript to implement the things they are trying to add, and a second branch sticking to code usable by older browsers that will attempt to do the same things. The latter may not be possible, and would be a nightmare to keep in sync and feature compatible with the newer code if it was possible. Honestly, why should they even try? I believe their thought is that the number of people they are aiming who will be unable to use the newer features because of low connection speeds or inadequate hardware will be a small enough fraction of the market that the effort can't be justified. I'm afraid they're right. Don't use Google Docs or Sites. GMail is still supported, and you have alternatives to Docs and Sites. 2) For Mozilla to re-engineer Gecko to back port current technologies to older versions of their browser. Once again, I doubt this is possible. I don't believe you could run FF2 on top of a current version of Gecko, and if you could, I don't think it would help. The stuff that makes it bigger and slower is in Gecko, and you would see the same issues.
The fact that you are on dialup isn't Firefox's fault. Your constraint is a slow connection to the internet, and that will bite regardless of what browser you use. FF2 may perform better than FF3, but you'll still see issues. I don't see issues on my desktop with a 1.8ghz CPU and 4GB RAM, but I have a fast broadband connection, so the stuff that bites you won't affect me. You might want to look at a current version of Opera. Opera 10.51 features a Turbo mode, where access is via their proxy server. Data is compressed on their end before being sent to you, to increase throughput and improve performance on low speed connections. I don't think 10.51 is out for Linux yet, but it ought to be along shortly.
Mozilla has stock? 
I like Mozilla, and prefer Mozilla products because I like the architecture. The ability to customize and extend the product has become an integral part of how I work. That said, I do use other things as merited. Opera loads faster and renders faster here under Puppy than Firefox or SeaMonkey. Google Chrome is progressing too, and the 5.0 Dev branch adds a fledgling extension capability that allows me to do a few things I'm accustomed to under Mozilla. But as mentioned, some things I just don't try to do. Puppy is good but not magic, and I'm constrained by hardware on the Puppy box. ______ Dennis |
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Frank Cox
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 381 |
Well they finally stopped threatening to discontinue supporting Firedog and say now it is unsupported. For what I do with it I see no difference so I have FireDog and it does everything i want it to and much faster than 3.whatever The annoying warning is gone, I am a happy camper, for now. thanks again Scott! It is always easier to dismiss a minority, even a very significant one when you are not part of it. |
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sc0ttman
Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2359 Location: UK |
You're most welcome Frank.. I'm genuinely happy you like it... 
I personally never have any problems with FF2 or Firedog, despite thier not being 'supported'... I don't need support, I need a browser that works how I like it!!
_________________ Akita Linux, VLC-GTK, Pup Search, Pup File Search |
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DMcCunney
Joined: 02 Feb 2009 Posts: 894 |
In this case, "support" is specific to Google Docs and Google Sites, which are adopting newer web technologies FF2 can't handle. If you don't use Google Docs or Sites, you don't care, as everything else you do will probably work fine. It will be a problem down the road, as advances in web standards start requiring browsers that simply can't run acceptably on the sort of kit Puppy tends to be used for, but for the moment, things like FireDog are good options. ______ Dennis |
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Frank Cox
Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 381 |
The docs work for me. |
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toowoombalinux
Joined: 15 Feb 2010 Posts: 95 |
G'day, Interesting side-note. I mainly use a heavily customised Puppy 3.01 and I use Firepup. Now I find, to my amazement that many Puppy 4 programmes work fine in Puppy 3. But, alas FireDog is not one of those... But, it does very interesting things to Firepup. Firepup normally runs very fast..very fast! It now positively screams! I have never use a Browser that operates so fast! Also, the customised toolbar is very cool. The changes FireDog has brought to Firepup is astounding. Cheers Martin BTW. It may not generally work in standard Puppy 3.01 as I have linked many Firepup libraries to the mozilla and firefox directories - I also have incorporated a later version of gtk2+. _________________ Toowoomba Linux Community http://groups.google.com/group/toowoombalinux Puppy Linux 301 - KDE 3.5.8 |
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sc0ttman
Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2359 Location: UK |
I really should update the main thread and state more explicitly that Firedog is NOT compatible with other Firefox or Seamonkey installs.. Having said that, you're not the first to be pleased with the results of a mixed up Fire/Pup/Dog/Fox install... 
Glad you like it, anyway! Don't forget to thank ttuuxxx for FirePup
_________________ Akita Linux, VLC-GTK, Pup Search, Pup File Search |
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nekomaster
Joined: 01 Feb 2010 Posts: 23 |
Will there be a updated version of firedog anytime soon? Maybe one based on Firefox v3.0.15 and without a million addons? Its a pain in the butt for me to have to uninstall all the addons in firedog 1.2 and update because firedog is the only way for me to get firefox working :\ |
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sc0ttman
Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 2359 Location: UK |
Try FF3
Which Puppy version are you using? And which Firefox pets have you tried to install? I've got Firefox 3 working in 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3 _________________ Akita Linux, VLC-GTK, Pup Search, Pup File Search |
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