Wary 020

[BarryK]

Don't forget guys, if you have ATI video, I would like to know if either of these alternate Xorg drivers work for you:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... &start=180

Billtoo has already responded that he got the wrong screen resolution with the ATI driver that comes with Wary 020, got the correct resolution (1920X1080) when he used the 'xf86-video-ati-radeon_mach64_r128-6.12.7-w1.pet' package.

...that's the latest driver, would like to know if that doesn't work for anyone.

ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP video card

Works only with Vesa driver, but not sure if I am doing this correctly. Installed both Ati drivers you sugested and started xorgwizard. When selecting the choose button should I see a list of drivers to select from?
If I select probe whatever gets selected gives me the black screen of death.

The ATI pets are mutually exclusive. You install just one of them then run Xorg Wizard. The Wizard should automatically choose the most appropriate driver.

[broomdodger]

... apart from Gnumeric putting out those error messages, did it actually work? That is, the operations you selected (save, etc)...

Yes, it does seem to work.

Cleaning up a database, =CONCATENATE() many columns - ok
Save as .gnumeric - ok
Save as .txt (tab delimited file) - ok

When I need to cleanup some database files,
Excel is not as good at opening and saving them as gnumeric.
For this specific file, gnumeric was much easier than the DB program.

[bigpup]

Don't forget guys, if you have ATI video, I would like to know if either of these alternate Xorg drivers work for you:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... &start=180

Billtoo has already responded that he got the wrong screen resolution with the ATI driver that comes with Wary 020, got the correct resolution (1920X1080) when he used the 'xf86-video-ati-radeon_mach64_r128-6.12.7-w1.pet' package.

...that's the latest driver, would like to know if that doesn't work for anyone.

ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro AGP video card

Works only with Vesa driver, but not sure if I am doing this correctly. Installed both Ati drivers you sugested and started xorgwizard. When selecting the choose button should I see a list of drivers to select from?
If I select probe whatever gets selected gives me the black screen of death.

The ATI pets are mutually exclusive. You install just one of them then run Xorg Wizard. The Wizard should automatically choose the most appropriate driver.

Retried your suggested drivers. Only Vesa driver works.

[rjbrewer]

Barry;
Re; my comment about gnome-mplayer not playing my local
public radio streams.

It plays all three types perfectly; only had to r-click, save as,
drag or setrun.

On this laptop; Wary is doing everything easier and better
than my 4.3.1 and 4.1.2 installs, so far.

[`f00]

I like the new-style memory meter icon since it is simple at-a-glance and very good at being a 'signal flag' (to borrow a nautical term). Of course 'freemem' varies - for some it may be like the check engine light on a car's dashboard.

xf86-video-ati-radeon_mach64_r128-6.12.7-w1 dotpet installed a few times and xorg automatically chose dead blackscreen on probe and test branches of the xorgwizard - no response on ctrl+alt+bs input, so hardoffs (and no fscheck on subsequent boots since liveCDmulti).

Should I try saving the install session 1st before running xorgwizard? vesa works well enough for me at my standard 1024x768 24bit (but it'd likely be well to get rid of rage theater stuff in xerrs.log ).

Console 1stline mssgs fixed by that simple edit in initial article of this thread - probably just me, but lots of variety in colors of cli and mssg-box ui (sometimes it even looks 'standard' ).

[rjbrewer]

Just when things were going so well....

Finally got around to trying movie and music dvds' in gnome-mplayer.

Movies tend to stop or freeze occasionally.

Concert dvds' will start with menu list (not smoothly), but not
have sound after the show starts.

Starting simple begins with a track half way through the dvd, and
sound is out of synch.

If it were possible to install gxine from 4.3.1 and vlc-0.8.6h-engv-5-1,
I'd be set.
Wasn't able to get any other player to work.

[BarryK]

Just when things were going so well....

Finally got around to trying movie and music dvds' in gnome-mplayer.

Movies tend to stop or freeze occasionally.

Concert dvds' will start with menu list (not smoothly), but not
have sound after the show starts.

Starting simple begins with a track half way through the dvd, and
sound is out of synch.

If it were possible to install gxine from 4.3.1 and vlc-0.8.6h-engv-5-1,
I'd be set.
Wasn't able to get any other player to work.

Go into Gnome-mplayer Preferences and choose video out as 'Xv' rather than 'X11' -- see if that improves things. 'X11' is the slowest, and I think the vesa driver has to use it.

[rjbrewer]

I've tried different video and audio settings, on 2 different laptops
and a pc.

Some discs play fairly well, and some have more severe problems.
Using gxine in 4.3.1 or 4.1.2, they all play without problems.

Edit:
Found a few "home-made" type video dvds' that will play in 4.3.1
gxine and cant be detected at all with 4.1.2 gxine.

The dvd issue is the only problem I remember having with mplayer,
even using Geexbox last year.

[upnorth]

Hi:

I just tried the jwm in wary020 and noticed that dillo2.2 no longer would appear on the screen eventhough it would run with no error messages or missing libs, etc. This is what has happened in lupu as well, since version lupu006. (not sure what version jwm was in lupu006)

In wary, I switched back to openbox and dillo2.2 would then appear on screen normally.

In lupu, I rolled back jwm to v457 from quirky repo and added the libjpeg7 dependency. Dillo then work normally.

Another person reported the same symtoms when trying to run yudit in lupu. see: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ee8#413758

It is very odd because in both cases the application can be seen for a split second after reboot is selected.

But with dillo2,2 anyways, it is somehow related to jwm after 464.
464 installed now in lupu and dillo2.2 working

[BarryK]

Hi:

I just tried the jwm in wary020 and noticed that dillo2.2 no longer would appear on the screen eventhough it would run with no error messages or missing libs, etc. This is what has happened in lupu as well, since version lupu006. (not sure what version jwm was in lupu006)

In wary, I switched back to openbox and dillo2.2 would then appear on screen normally.

In lupu, I rolled back jwm to v457 from quirky repo and added the libjpeg7 dependency. Dillo then work normally.

Another person reported the same symtoms when trying to run yudit in lupu. see: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... ee8#413758

It is very odd because in both cases the application can be seen for a split second after reboot is selected.

But with dillo2,2 anyways, it is somehow related to jwm after 460. Not sure about 464 yet.

Not so good. Would you mind sending an email to Joe, the developer of JWM? I don't remember if he has a "bugzilla".

[upnorth]

So far I have this submitted anonymously:


http://sourceforge.net/support/tracker.php?aid=2993347

I'll look into the site some more to see if there is anything better. He has #jwm on freenode too but nobody there but me


update
I narrowed it down to 475 as being the last version that lets dillo2.2 appear on screen. Am running a version of 475 now (built in ubuntu) with all options enabled except debug, 119k when stripped. No black icon background problem but some icons on main menu seem a little screwy. The desktop icon switcher kind of b0rqs with 475 - needed reboot to change.
I see that alot of other bugs were fixed between 475 and 490.

I don't know what change caused the problem: 475<>476
http://joewing.net/websvn/log.php?repna ... F&isdir=1&

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Other than that, with jwm, geany always opens in windowed mode and too wide for the screen. Very similar to the way nicoedit 2.4 was in the past.
With openbox, it is fine.

Overall, wary is great on this 10-11 year old machine.

[upnorth]

http://joewing.net/websvn/comp.php?repn ... []=%2F@492

from changlog:
492 21h 44m joewing /src/hint.c Don't make windows forever invisible if they are mapped in the Withdrawn state.

JWM 492 cures the problem of dillo-2.2 not appearing on screen.

[don570]

I've test yudit on several puppies including quirky1
and never had any problem except for Lucid Puppy(lupu)
The error at the terminal was something like 'locale support
needed'

[upnorth]

Yeah, if it works with quirky 1.0, and jwm as window manager (jwm 490, I think) it's probably ok as far as jwm is concerned.

For dillo2.2, the problem was only with jwm 476 through 491. But the symptoms were very similar with the app starting and running, not appearing, then appearing for a flash when exiting from session.

Of course, with openbox, I never had any problems at all.

[upnorth]

EDIT: This probably won't be necessary, there is a config option in geany I overlooked, but this method could be used elsewhere.

If anyone is switching to jwm:
I added this to /root/.jwm/jwmrc-personal and it works.

Code: Select all

<Group>
  <Class>Geany</Class>
   <Option>maximized</Option>
</Group>

This will cure the problem of geany always opening too wide for screen and in windowed mode.

[abushcrafter]

If anyone is switching to jwm:
Add this to /etc/xdg/templates/_root_.jwmrc before switching to jwm. I added it to /root/.jwm/jwmrc-personal and it works.

Code: Select all

<Group>
  <Class>Geany</Class>
   <Option>maximized</Option>
</Group>

This will cure the problem of geany always opening too wide for screen and in windowed mode.

Thanks, very useful.

[`f00]

More about xf86-video-intel on Barry's blog (although it may be for a rollback/over/:? of a Quirky line that's already in release rather than Wary which isn't quite yet..)

w020's my preferred 'waystation' since it's a multisession liveCD (and if I tell it to not save, there's no doubt it won't).

Btw, just for a lark tried latest xf86-video-ati-6.13.0-q1.pet in w020 .. it failed (different Xorg is my guess as well as w020 only accepts 'vesa' as the driver for me). excerpt from /tmp/xorgprobe.txt follows
dlopen: libdrm_radeon.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
(EE) Failed to load /usr/X11R7/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//radeon_drv.so
(EE) Failed to load module "radeon" (loader failed, 7)
(EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (2)
(EE) Failed to load module "ati" (module requirement mismatch, 0)

[looseSCREWorTWO]

Tried Wary 020 on my 10 y.o. Toshiba laptop, P3, 800mhz, 256mb RAM+512mb Swap, SD Card acting as HDD, Trident CyberBlade graphics card.

Live CD and Frugal Install worked perfectly. Full Install tricky but that's not a Wary issue. No Puppy wants to Full Install to an SD Card acting as HDD. But worth the effort. Runs well. Everything works. Very fast and easy setup of USB Wireless Internet dongle, ditto installing Wine 1.1.43 Just one query - when I open a Terminal window I get this message at the top:
bash: [: -ge: unary operator expected

[`f00]

..in this thread (caught me too, but the fix is dead easy).

Error message in terminal
Yes, there is an error message when a terminal is opened. This came about when I fixed a bug in Lupu.

Edit /etc/profile, these lines:

#100208 rox-filer needs this for GTK >= 2.18, fixes focus problem... 100423 fix...
if [ `grep -E '^gtk\+-2|^libgtk2.0' /root/.packages/woof-installed-packages | head -n 1 | cut -f 3 -d '|' | cut -f 2 -d '.'` -ge 18 ];then
export GDK_NATIVE_WINDOWS=true
fi

...the "\" backslash is required, also the "^".

[looseSCREWorTWO]

thanks 'foo I'll give that a try.