Quirky 021 feedback

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BarryK · #1 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 01:31

This is the first release candidate, so I have prepared a preliminary detailed announcement and release notes:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... OT_YET.htm

Note that Woof now has a skeleton of that page, at /usr/share/doc/release-skeleton.htm, that other distro builders can customise, like I have done for the upcoming Quirky 1.0.

Get Quirky 021 from here:

http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... uirky-021/

One thing that I am hoping to do for the final is integrate download and install of the commercial Nvidia Xorg driver, if the Xorg Wizard detects Nvidia hardware. That is, you can get going with vesa driver, get connected to the Internet, then there will be an offer to install an Nvidia PET package, which will configure everything automatically. Well, that would be nice, just a hope for now.

Billtoo · #2 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 02:21

Choosing probe allows me to choose the correct resolution but I see the mouse pointer on a black screen. CTL-ALT-BACK gets my to the prompt and when I ran xorgwizard and chose vesa , then startx, the screen came up at the correct resolution

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021

Chip description:
07:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

Driver used by Xorg:
vesa

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1280x1024 Depth: 24

The computer has a haupaugge 250 tv tuner in it and that messed up report-video I guess.

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)
07:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

James C · #3 Post by **James C** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 04:41

Fresh frugal install....."probe" led to the correct 1024x768 resolution, working fine.

VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021

Chip description:
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (GMCH) Graphics Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 (CGC) Chipset Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1024x768 Depth: 16

...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

Lobster · #4 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 08:05

The selector box for choosing graphics res
has only two choices
(yes you can scroll up and down but
someone as stupid as me sometimes forgets to do this)
it used to have four)
Sorry if that is irrelevant - too picky
Puppy Quirky using the earlier Seamonkey worked at full screen with BBC Iplayer (Flash based)
something Puppy Lucid can not do at present - so that is pleasing

Another thing - this may not be possible by default
When I click on the title bar of a program it does not maximise
I have to click on the maximise icon.
Again a detail

The package manager looks very underpopulated

It was great to have quick download and burning
(very important on slower connections)

Be interested how others get on
For me it seems very complete

nooby · #5 Post by **nooby** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 09:00

As usual my hardware fail to work with xorg
Edit. Probe gives a pink/green thing

so I did ctrl+alt+back and somehow ended up with vesa which works rather okay.

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 5610001u Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:
vesa

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1024x768 Depth: 16
#

Seamonkey used to work with folkmusic on www.sr.se and www.nrk.no but not Q21. svtplay.se works well though. but that is due to vesa and not xorg.

So looking forward that the coming NV driver maybe allow a proper nvidia usage?

Terryphi · #6 Post by **Terryphi** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 10:36

Quirky 021 is great, Barry. Video works and fonts are beautifully rendered. The only minor things I found when updating using a quirkysave.2fs from earlier version:

1. I had to run fixmenus to restore my added apps to the menu.

2.PuppyPin was overwritten so I had to replace the desktop icons for my added apps.

3. Seamonkey did not fill the screen even when maximised. There was an area at the bottom with a red ^ in it. Installing seamonkey-2.0.4-q1.pet fixed the problem.

4. My longstanding gripe that user's selected locale is overwritten with en_US locale on upgrade.

I haven't tested on my laptop yet. Is the updated firmware for the p54usb kernel driver (wireless networking) included in this build? I will not know as I am upgrading using a quirkysave.2fs with the necessary firmware already added.

Lobster · #7 Post by **Lobster** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 13:39

This is what Quirky looks like after a little playing about with it . . .

Video works

ASF which pixellated previously is now displaying very well

but no sound

ecube · #8 Post by **ecube** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 14:13

Test system
AMD Athlon, 900MHz, 2010MB RAM
PuppyHardwareProfile=VIA_KM400AcerV193
Display: 1280x1024x24

One one of my desktops the system crashes when I try to change keymap. This old bug strikes when I use the Puppy Setup window. Using the command # input-wizard from the console yields the response

loadfont: KDFONTOP: Invalid argument

but the changing of the keymap works OK.

My conjecture for a remedy is to replace in the /usr/sbin/input-wizard file

[ "$FONTMAP" ] && gzip -dcf /lib/consolefonts/${FONTMAP}.gz | loadfont

with

[ "$FONTMAP" ] && setfont -m /lib/consolefonts/${FONTMAP}.gz

ecube

BarryK · #9 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 14:50

I have created a PET package for the commercial Nvidia Xorg driver:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01548

Actually, I wrote the post-install script 'pinstall.sh' in the PET, but haven't tested that it works. When I tested the Nvidia driver, I made changes manually, then afterward I wrote the script. Other than a typo, it should be ok.

Curious thing, the Busybox depmod is required before loading the 'nvidia' kernel module.

Billtoo · #10 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 14:51

I downloaded and installed your new nvidia pet and then restarted x, it worked!

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021

Chip description:
07:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1280x1024 Depth: 24

lspci gives:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1)
07:02.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)

The computer runs quieter with the proper driver installed..

nooby · #11 Post by **nooby** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 15:17

second test. Using the /usr/share/examples/omelette.swf file.

Takes 5 seconds with Vesa driver but now when I use the choice NV driver then it takes 11 seconds using Seamonkey.

When I look at streaming video using the Vesa driver then it looks good.
When I look at it using the NV driver then I get seasick due to the delayed rendering that goes like mechanical manequins from year 1500 or somebody role playing they are a quriky Robot that use pneumatic lever something. Looks terrible.

So hope you don't tell Distrowatch before this is solved.

report-video says I have this hard ware as

# report-video
# VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021
bash: VIDEO: command not found
#
# Chip description:
bash: Chip: command not found
# oem: NVIDIA
bash: oem:: command not found
# product: G98 Board - 5610001u Chip Rev
bash: product:: command not found
#
# Driver used by Xorg:
bash: Driver: command not found
# nv
bash: nv: command not found
#
# Video mode used by Xorg:
bash: Video: command not found
# Resolution: 1024x768 Depth: 16
bash: Resolution:: command not found
#

I got by using Choice and then test and that was what got allotted to me

Tried to download your nvidia pet but seamonkey in q21 does open it and neither use it as pet nor download it.

Billtoo · #12 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 16:16

[quote=

Tried to download your nvidia pet but seamonkey in q21 does open it and neither use it as pet nor download it.[/quote]

open the console and use wget to get the pet.
wget http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... 3.2-q1.pet

nooby · #13 Post by **nooby** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 17:11

Billtoo,

thanks indeed for your patience with my noobness.

Worked very good.

Before it said I had

nv

now it says I have

NVidia.

Went from, 10 second for the Omelette.swf to 5 seconds and the streaming video on CNN looks perfect so thanks indeed for describing how I could do this pet.

Super!

Jim1911 · #14 Post by **Jim1911** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 22:08

Hi Barry,

Tested your commercial Nvidia 195.36.15 Xorg driver in lupu-113 and quirky-021. In both it appeared to install but the configuration program is not available so don't know whether it's working or not. There is also no menu item or /usr/share/applications/nvidia.desktop file in either.

Attached for info are some of the /etc/
X11/xorg.conf files in quirky-021

The "report-video" results below are for quirky, the results for lupu does not have an entry in the "Driver used by Xorg:" section.

Code: Select all

# report-video
VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021
Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: G98 Board - 05610002 Chip Rev
Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia
Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1280x1024  Depth: 24
...the above also recorded in /tmp/report-video
#

Hope this helps, this driver is great for those of us that have Nvidia cards.

Thanks,
Jim

BarryK · #15 Post by **BarryK** » Thu 29 Apr 2010, 23:56

Ok, more information about my Nvidia PET package.

Xorg Wizard
If you want to test the Xorg Wizard, see if it plays nice with the installed Nvidia PET package, please first edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, change line 'Disable "glx"' to 'Load "glx"'.

nvidia-settings
I haven't around to creating a menu entry yet, but the configuration utility is there. Open a terminal and type "nvidia-settings".

Alternate PETs
Great news, CatDude has created two PETs:
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54886

BarryK · #16 Post by **BarryK** » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 00:00

Jim1911 wrote:Tested your commercial Nvidia 195.36.15 Xorg driver in lupu-113 and quirky-021. In both it appeared to install but the configuration program is not available so don't know whether it's working or not.

When you install the Nvidia PET, a message pops up telling you to restart X. It should "just work".

However, it seems that you need the "legacy" Nvidia driver, see CatDude's post:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54886

Jim1911 · #17 Post by **Jim1911** » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 00:15

Barry wrote:However, it seems that you need the "legacy" Nvidia driver, see CatDude's post:

I did restartX and the system has also been rebooted. My BFG NVIDIA Geforce 8400 GS 512MB works fine with the Nvidia 195 driver compiled by gray using pup-431 and LH-443 and can utilize the features of that driver. Also that driver is used with Ubuntu. I have already tested Catdude's Nvidia 173 driver which works fine on my system with wary-020, it does not work on quirky-021 or lupu-113.

BarryK · #18 Post by **BarryK** » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 00:18

Oh, yes, looking here, clicking "Supported products" tab, it seems your video is supported by my PET package:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_disp ... 36.15.html

JustGreg · #19 Post by **JustGreg** » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 00:25

The nvidia driver pet installed without a problem. Using nvidia-settings tool reported a segmentation fault. I have the proper resolution. Here is the report-video output.

Code: Select all

VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021

Chip description:
oem: NVIDIA
product: MCP79 Board - hornet-0 Chip Rev

Driver used by Xorg:
nvidia

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1360x768  Depth: 16

Quirky 020 looks good.

OverDrive · #20 Post by **OverDrive** » Fri 30 Apr 2010, 04:59

Just like 18, Everything checked/tested good out of the box. BTW, What did you do to the B43 driver? It works faster than everyone else's!

VIDEO REPORT: Quirky, version 021

Chip description:
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution: 1280x800 Depth: 24

OverDrive

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