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PostPosted: Tue 04 May 2010, 16:49    Post subject:  

I believe the only really specific functionality that is missing is packages. But that's a chicken and egg problem, since the users create most of them.
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PostPosted: Tue 04 May 2010, 17:08    Post subject:  

jemimah wrote:
I believe the only really specific functionality that is missing is packages. But that's a chicken and egg problem, since the users create most of them.

So are you saying that Quirky 1.0 will effectively be Puppy 5.0?
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PostPosted: Tue 04 May 2010, 17:20    Post subject:  

From Barry K's own Quirky page.......

http://bkhome.org/quirky/index.html

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Quirky is a Linux distribution and is in the "Puppy Linux family", also known as a "puplet". However, Quirky is not a mainline Puppy release -- it is a distinct distro in its own right.

Quirky is built with the Woof build system, as is Puppy 4.3.x and later official puppies. Quirky is my plaything, an avenue for me to try out some quirky ideas -- hence the name "Quirky".
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PostPosted: Tue 04 May 2010, 17:44    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
jemimah wrote:
I believe the only really specific functionality that is missing is packages. But that's a chicken and egg problem, since the users create most of them.

So are you saying that Quirky 1.0 will effectively be Puppy 5.0?

NO! Puppy 5.0 will be mainstream but upmarket in terms of the latest kernel, up-to-date drivers for newer machinery etc. That always seems to come at a price for legacy hardware so 4.x will stick around as the mainstream for a while yet.

Quirky builds as much as possible into the kernel - Barry's aim was the WHOLE distro if possible. I don't know what the state of play is with that ambition as I don't follow Quirky development on Barry's blog. IT IS EXPERIMENTAL and so of little interest to me beyond curiosity.

Puppy 5.0 mainstream will be any Woof build that intends to supply all of the above plus binary compatibility with one of the major distro's for repository access. Lupu is the first serious attempt, although Dpup was pretty good and may still have a life. Guy (gposil) seems to be fairly quiet of late.

The differences with Quirky have yet to surface in terms of functionality (no packages), but in terms of intent there is no difference. It's all in the ingredients and the baking. You can expect Quirky to break in some circumstances. I say again IT IS EXPERIMENTAL! Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Tue 04 May 2010, 17:53    Post subject:  

So the original question remains unanswered.
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PostPosted: Tue 04 May 2010, 23:40    Post subject:  

Lobster, slightly confused by your question?

Are you asking for a broadline on what we want to see in Puppy 6 or what we should do with the revisions between 5.1 and 5.9?

if the first, i'd like to see puppy 6 be based on a "non application core" and everything else as sets of .sts's, (being defined sets of applications,) and .pet's, (as individual applications). Especially now that, according to BarryK, we can add a decent number of .sts's to the system. Also all sts's and pets should be "backward compatable" with the earlier core's of the 6.x series, one of the bugbear and most time consuming problems we have at present.

if the second, i'd like to see versions using ALL of the major distro's versions developed, say as a set using a code like 5.7.osuse11, 5.7.ubun10, 5.7.fed12, 5.7cb9 (CrunchBang), 5.7.abs13 (absolute linux), 5.7mand2010, etc.

and eventually with 5.8 being able to use ANY package repositry (from any distro.)

then 5.9 being 5.8 plus being able to pull in source and build a compatable pet with only a few keystrokes.

And yes I do know that will take much work, mainly scripting and profiling I think.

But think of the kudos if we could do it!

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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 01:43    Post subject:  

Glad to see we have an answer see next post Cool
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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 02:01    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:

As has been said Quirky is NOT Puppy 5 it is a puplet

This is Puppy 5
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01457

Lucid
Wary
Very Wary Puppy

Quirky Puplet is now available


BarryK wrote:
Regarding the triple-whammy, I'll change it to:
Lucid Puppy
Wary Puppy
Quirky Puppy
...I'll aim at releasing my Quirky at the same time. The main difference is that Quirky won't have the rolled-back Xorg, just the full-steam ahead bleeding edge.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 02:28    Post subject:  

Here is the wiki entry for someone to improve Cool
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy5

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Lobster, slightly confused by your question?


Confused Me too

Quirky is a puplet
or more accurately a wooflet
and a NEW distribution based on Puppy

At the moment most of our Puppy users are using Puppy 4.3.1

Like Warren my main interest is in Lucid
but some will be using the t2 built Quirky
- it has many updates
Quirky is part of our triple whammy release
Some will prefer the more conservative 'wary'

People feeding back to Puppeee or 64bit Fatdog
and other releases
also end up effecting the main version

I can see that with the Lucid update option built in
and the Woof system from Barry
we now have more possibilities

I tend to run 'fresh' or experimental

As far as I can see 4.3.2 and 4.4 are the best updates
(if/when available) to 4.3.1
Completely new users are best served by either Lucid (Puppy 5)
or Quirky (New distribution based on Puppy)

So the question is really for those familiar
with the testing
and usage of what will emerge as Puppy 5
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy5

. . . what plans for developers and cohesion we might start to
instigate Cool

We are Puppy
Anything is possible

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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 05:25    Post subject:  

Last time I checked lupu was up to 115. Smile

Just had to throw that in!

I guess when it is released, it's version will go from 115 to 5.
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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 06:11    Post subject:  

rcrsn51 wrote:
So the original question remains unanswered.

phtttt.... Mad Open your eyes, bud! Try my very first post following your question. How much clearer does it have to be????? Geez, Louise! Shocked Hey, if you don't want to take MY word for it, what about this from Barry?
BarryK wrote:
Quirky 1.0
I, Barry Kauler, the founder of Puppy Linux and Woof, created Quirky as an avenue to explore new ideas. There may be some features in this distro that you won't find in other puppies, either different applications and utilities, different system scripts/behaviour, or even some fundamentally new underlying behaviour. This is very much a moving target. Quirky is currently built from packages compiled in T2. Some of the ideas may be a bit strange, hence the name "Quirky"!


Lobster wrote:
Completely new users are best served by either Lucid or Quirky

Aw, Lob, tell me you just didn't ignore everything that's been said. Do you really want "Completely new users..." fanging around in Quirky? Especially when Barry has made it clear that is "bleeding edge"? Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 06:56    Post subject:  

Thanks Warren,
I did read your post, several times, I also had to rewrite my own and simplify the wiki entries - and do a couple of Quirky vids . . .
Smile

This release of Quirky is pretty mainstream
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/quirky/quirky-1.0/release-Quirky-1.0.htm

Lucid is quite big in comparison.

Ideally I would like to recommend 4.4 or 4.3.2
but if a new user said should I try Quirky, 4.3..1 or await the Lucid release
m m m . . . depends . . .
My sisters will be provided with Puppy 5 Lucid . . .
Barry is gonna bug test it - it feels good

The answers are now more fluid, more choice, more possibilities

I am hoping for Dpup to return. 4.4 is very good.
Puppy is growing up. Cool

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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 07:11    Post subject:  

@lobster @WhoDo

Life in the Puppysphere seems to throw up some unexpected or "Quirky" issues - something like Einsteins's (lol) Theory of Relativity where normality takes a holiday and Quirkiness rules instead.

Quirky was certainly meant as a bleeding edge test-bed for the latest ideas - complete with the caveat that it might not suit beginners or users who want things "just to work". So be warned!

Unexpectedly though, Quirky has turned out to be remarkably stable and well-behaved. I know this from having tested several versions of it. It might well be fine for use by newcomers. May not work with every single hardware combination - but the same can also be said of non-Quirky versions too.

Simply a case of intentions turning out other than expected.

OK say I'm a newbie and need advice about which Puppy version to go for. How would you lay out the options for me and on what basis?

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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 08:25    Post subject:  

Quote:
OK say I'm a newbie and need advice about which Puppy version to go for. How would you lay out the options for me and on what basis?


Depends on how computer savvy they are.
if they are like me they most likely should try Lupu first?

Because it has a good info on choice of browsers so those that love Chromium can get that one without having to learn how to install things the manual way can just click. And those of us like me who are into Firefox can get that one almost instantly.

I am very unsure of if they have graphic driver problems which works best.

Q21 failed for me but Q1 worked and Lupu works out of the box but choose vesa and one have to set it up after that so that could be a big help because one can read suggestions by others while on Q1 if it fail with graphic then you are on your own with a black screen and hard reboot.

So I am a Chicken Guy. Smile I would say one should always try all three. in this order.

Lupu, Quirky Wary.

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PostPosted: Wed 05 May 2010, 08:47    Post subject:  

Nooby wrote:

Quote:
So I am a Chicken Guy. Very Happy I would say one should always try all three. in this order.

Lupu, Quirky Wary.


Well, OK there's a start about making some sense out of this.

How about implementing a hybrid project that might be called "Puppy Unity", or "Unity Puppy" ,"Puppy Unified" or even "Puppy Noobie" etc. etc.

This version would contain the best parts of several Puppy versions.
i.e. bits of Lupu (Quickpet etc.), Quirky and Macpup.

The end result would be way over the usual Puppy size limit. At this point, Ttuuxxx gets called in and applies the scissors in the usual way.

This resultant puplet might be the one to recommend to newcomers.

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