Lighthouse Pup 4.43 Gu2 215M

For talk and support relating specifically to Puppy derivatives
Message
Author
User avatar
tazoc
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 08:07
Location: Lower Columbia Basin WA US
Contact:

#641 Post by tazoc »

edoc wrote:Perhaps it is a memory management or resource problem on his older HP laptop? It is a HP Omnibook xe4400s
I don't know, the Flash plugin has a history of problems crashing Firefox, and SM 2 is architecturally more similar to FF than SM 1.x was. I read on Barry's Blog today that an upcoming version of FF has a new approach to the problem.
BK wrote:The most interesting feature is protection from a crashed plugin -- so, if Adobe Flash Player goes down, the browser won't.
@Q5sys,
Thanks for passing along your work with the Sakura developer. I don't know how to map the key-bindings for Sakura in /etc/.bashrc but I will take a look at Slackware's .bashrc as I think Sakura works fine there with Bash 4.1.

Feel free to build your pets for the next release--I'm working hard on it, so hard I think I need a short break! The new KDE 4.4.3 is much larger with new features and dependencies so it won't fit on a Mariner CD. I may include an Xfce SFS in the Mariner ISO instead of KDE, but still offer a separate KDE add-on.
-TazOC
[url=http://www.lhpup.org/][b][size=100]lhpup.org[/size][/b] [img]http://www.lhpup.org/gallery/images/favicon.png[/img][/url] [url=http://www.lhpup.org/release-lhp.htm#602]Lighthouse 64 6.02[/url]

User avatar
Barburo
Posts: 298
Joined: Thu 14 Jun 2007, 18:49

#642 Post by Barburo »

TazOC,
I forgot to thank you for the log-out script on wbar for KDE3.
Now changing the window manager, or exiting is much faster.
I've found that the puppy implementation of KDE3 has been pretty solid as a window manager. I like KDE3 over KDE4 (it's faster and seems to use less resources) and I'm glad you're continuing support in your next version.
I've also found LXDE to be efficient and it supports C-F too, but doesn't have the menu flexibility that KDE has.

Don't work too hard on that next release - we all need some downtime!
B.
[i]Laptop[/i]: Acer Aspire 5810TZ

User avatar
edoc
Posts: 4729
Joined: Sun 07 Aug 2005, 20:16
Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
Contact:

#643 Post by edoc »

Firefox 3.6.4-beta
I downloaded a binary tarball of Firefox "Lorentz", which is expected to become the next version of Firefox, 3.6.4. The most interesting feature is protection from a crashed plugin -- so, if Adobe Flash Player goes down, the browser won't.

I have also made it into a PET package. I have designed the PET with the intention that it could be used to replace SeaMonkey when doing a build with Woof.

There are lots of nice addons for Firefox, and we can get most of the functionality of the SeaMonkey suite, except for the big one -- a WYSIWYG HTML/web page editor.

Note, I also had to upgrade Sqlite to version 3.6.23.1, Firefox needs this.

I'll upload these PETs soon.
Posted on 8 May 2010, 9:27
Anyone know to what E-mail app Firefox will be closely tied?

Is it a seamless one where clicking on an E-mail in FF results in the E-mail app opening and clicking on a URL in an E-mail opens a FF window?

We are used to Seamonkey but can adapt to Firefox if that is a superior browser.

I don't really care about the HTML editors as I do not use them - I find hand-coding HTML for basic pages a lot cleaner than auto-bot code.

What about a spreadsheet or word processor?

Can OxygenOffice (OpenOffice on steroids) be made the default in Firefox so that the relationship is seamless?
[b]Thanks! David[/b]
[i]Home page: [/i][url]http://nevils-station.com[/url]
[i]Don't google[/i] [b]Search![/b] [url]http://duckduckgo.com[/url]
TahrPup64 & Lighthouse64-b602 & JL64-603

User avatar
edoc
Posts: 4729
Joined: Sun 07 Aug 2005, 20:16
Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
Contact:

#644 Post by edoc »

I'm confused ... here he is touting SM again ... sigh.
sqlite-manager 0.5.15
Ah, one very good thing about the move to SeaMonkey 2.x is that many recent addons for Firefox 3.6 will also work with SM. Including the latest sqlite-manager Sqlite database manager tool.

I have created a PET package for Quirky, just 125KB. That's good, fills a big gap in Quirky's range of "business" applications. This will be in the next release of Quirky.

Note that the full SM browser does not have to be running. Sqlite-manager can start in a window so it looks just like any normal application. I have placed an entry in the Business category of the menu.

Sqlite-manager home: http://code.google.com/p/sqlite-manager/
[b]Thanks! David[/b]
[i]Home page: [/i][url]http://nevils-station.com[/url]
[i]Don't google[/i] [b]Search![/b] [url]http://duckduckgo.com[/url]
TahrPup64 & Lighthouse64-b602 & JL64-603

User avatar
Q5sys
Posts: 1105
Joined: Thu 11 Dec 2008, 19:49
Contact:

#645 Post by Q5sys »

edoc,

I think what you might be seeing is the actual flow of ideas, without sensor. FireFox does allow you to do much more, and I'm pretty sure it integrates with Thunderbird seamlessly, however Firefox is alot larger sizewise and memory usage wise. This may be why there was shift back to SeaMonkey after the realization that plugins for FF would work in SM.

I cant be entirely sure what he's thinking... but that'd be my guess.

TazOC,
As for my Pets... Im getting them ready, but I think it'd be wise of me to wait until you release your next version so I can figure out what would be needed and what you've already upgraded. NO RUSH THOUGH!!! I've got plenty of other things to work on right now. lol So the wait for the next version will give me some time to catch up. :)
Excited to hear what will be included though. :)

User avatar
tazoc
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 08:07
Location: Lower Columbia Basin WA US
Contact:

#646 Post by tazoc »

Barburo wrote:TazOC,
I forgot to thank you for the log-out script on wbar for KDE3.
Now changing the window manager, or exiting is much faster.
I've found that the puppy implementation of KDE3 has been pretty solid as a window manager. I like KDE3 over KDE4 (it's faster and seems to use less resources) and I'm glad you're continuing support in your next version.
I've also found LXDE to be efficient and it supports C-F too, but doesn't have the menu flexibility that KDE has.

Don't work too hard on that next release - we all need some downtime!
B.
Hi Barburo,
You're welcome, I use the Logout button on Wbar often, and I took some time off yesterday. I used to favor KDE3 but I would like to phase it out in favor of Xfce 4, which I've been tweaking for the next release of Mariner ISO. I think it is faster than KDE3, has nearly every setting you can think of, including C-F-like compositing with shadows and translucency built in (Menu | Setup | Xfce Settings | Window Manager Tweaks | Compositor). Today I updated the Xfce4 Settings Manager and the Weather Update Panel Plugin from Lucid packages, (see attached screen shot.) With the KDE 4 add-on you'll still be able to run KDE apps from other desktops.

I also updated Lighthouse to Xorg-xserver 1.7.7 and Mesa 7.8.1 with OpenGL 2.1 support and DRI (direct rendering interface) hardware acceleration from Slackware 13.1 Beta 1 repos. Xserver 1.7.7 was released on May 4th and it's looking very good here. So far the 3D performance with my setup is right on par with the ATI proprietary drivers in prior releases and hopefully will work as well with nVidia, Intel and other display cards.
Take care,
TazOC
Attachments
Xfce4_Thunar_and _Weather_Plugin.jpg
(194.93 KiB) Downloaded 683 times
[url=http://www.lhpup.org/][b][size=100]lhpup.org[/size][/b] [img]http://www.lhpup.org/gallery/images/favicon.png[/img][/url] [url=http://www.lhpup.org/release-lhp.htm#602]Lighthouse 64 6.02[/url]

User avatar
Q5sys
Posts: 1105
Joined: Thu 11 Dec 2008, 19:49
Contact:

#647 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:I also updated Lighthouse to Xorg-xserver 1.7.7 and Mesa 7.8.1 with OpenGL 2.1 support and DRI (direct rendering interface) hardware acceleration from Slackware 13.1 Beta 1 repos. Xserver 1.7.7 was released on May 4th and it's looking very good here. So far the 3D performance with my setup is right on par with the ATI proprietary drivers in prior releases and hopefully will work as well with nVidia, Intel and other display cards.
Take care,
TazOC
Im going to throw out a crazy wild question out here... any chance it'll work better with multi monitors than the previous versions? And I dont mean cloning but extending the desktop onto both screens?

User avatar
edoc
Posts: 4729
Joined: Sun 07 Aug 2005, 20:16
Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
Contact:

#648 Post by edoc »

Where does the Weather app pull its data from?

Have you integrated an app that handles a personal weather station?

There are a couple of free apps out there for Linux that have nice displays of your measurements and even a weather cam -- and at least one will interface with a huge network of weather stations.
[b]Thanks! David[/b]
[i]Home page: [/i][url]http://nevils-station.com[/url]
[i]Don't google[/i] [b]Search![/b] [url]http://duckduckgo.com[/url]
TahrPup64 & Lighthouse64-b602 & JL64-603

User avatar
gulk
Posts: 86
Joined: Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:04

Taking a tour of lhp443

#649 Post by gulk »

dpup looked very promising, but hey, I got some new hardware recently and decided it was time to try a fat puppy on my machine...

My requirements were:
- can recognize my hardware
- can do multimedia
- has some sort of video editor
- can support compiz, preferably on xfce 4

Well... Tazoc basically answered all of that, and more :D Is it humanly possible to handle all those different configurations and still have some rock solid OS? Congratulations, you made it! :o .

Now, because of my requirements, I needed to put pretty much all of the sfs I could find on lhpup.org download page which created somewhat of a bloat (admittedly restricted to ~ 1GB, which is not bad actually!).

I have few questions to help me further personalize my installation (frugal):
- I have the choice between so many desktop managers. Is there any way to remove some of them without affecting stability? For example, I need Kdenlive software, does it mean I am stuck with kde3 or 4 or both?
- I have two users: root and spot, each with its startup folder. Is spot startup folder looked into when booting? (I suppose I am root by default?). There are many apps in each startup folder and I am not sure what they do... yet.


Anyway, everything looks very solid so far, all my hardware was properly configured out of the box, and very minimum setup was required to get going. Thank you so much for such hard work and dedication.

PS: maybe someone who's trying to figure what hardware to buy to run a linux distribution without headache, here is my setup:
CPU: phenom II X3 720, unlocked fourth core through BIOS
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-MA790X-UD4P, integrated audio (realtek 889a), integrated network
Graphic card: nvidia Geforce 7900GS
Memory: 2GB G-Skill DDR2 (6400)
Wireless: TrendNet TEW-623PI (Version v3.0R)
Last edited by gulk on Fri 14 May 2010, 17:25, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
edoc
Posts: 4729
Joined: Sun 07 Aug 2005, 20:16
Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
Contact:

#650 Post by edoc »

Just installed LHP 4.43 Gu2 Frugal on a laptop.

Looks good, except ...

1. Like other Puppy versions it only offers 1400 x 1050 as a resolution so I have to manually edit the config file down to 1280 x 1048 (this is only on one specific laptop).

2. Even at 1280 x 1048 I have to change the default font to 96

3. The wifi has to try 4x to make a connection, this has happened with other Puppy versions, but once made and saved it is fine.

4. It renders http://myfoxhurricane.com *almost* correctly, but not quite, and the Gu3 update caused the Chatango window to no longer display the text.

5. http://honolulu.gov/multimed/waikiki.aps does not display correctly - gxine error. (There is no error in 4.31 and SM 1.18, but it also doesn't show the cam.)

6. When I have a couple of sites open in http://www.webcamplaza.net/ and try to back out it no longer crashes - as it has in some Puppy versions.

7. I still wish SM would offer a window to search the HDD (multiple partitions) for other installs and ask if one wants to import Address Book, Bookmarks, E-mail folders, and other settings from a list. [Note: I have them stored outside the personal storage file.)
[b]Thanks! David[/b]
[i]Home page: [/i][url]http://nevils-station.com[/url]
[i]Don't google[/i] [b]Search![/b] [url]http://duckduckgo.com[/url]
TahrPup64 & Lighthouse64-b602 & JL64-603

User avatar
tazoc
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 08:07
Location: Lower Columbia Basin WA US
Contact:

#651 Post by tazoc »

Q5sys wrote:Im going to throw out a crazy wild question out here... any chance it'll work better with multi monitors than the previous versions? And I dont mean cloning but extending the desktop onto both screens?
That's a good question but I don't have a clue. I'll look through the documentation when I have a chance. Refresh my memory please, is yours an Intel card?
edoc wrote:Where does the Weather app pull its data from?
The Xfce plugin queries xoap.weather.com according to http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel- ... her-plugin.
edoc wrote:Have you integrated an app that handles a personal weather station?There are a couple of free apps out there for Linux that have nice displays of your measurements and even a weather cam -- and at least one will interface with a huge network of weather stations.
I don't have anything currently in LHP that will do that.
gulk wrote:I have few questions to help me further personalize my installation (frugal):
- I have the choice between so many desktop managers. Is there any way to remove some of them without affecting stability? For example, I need Kdenlive software, does it mean I am stuck with kde3 or 4 or both?
KDE 4 is by far the largest desktop but Kdenlive requires it. KDE and Xfce are the only ones I have set up to easily remove. Unload the respective SFS in BootManager and reboot if that's what you were to decide. KDE also has an uninstaller in the Settings Menu, though it's not a necessity. I tried to keep the software that requires KDE 3/4 all in the same SFS but Battleshooter's compilation of Kdenlive came on the scene later.
gulk wrote:I have two users: root and spot, each with its startup folder. Is spot startup folder looked into when booting? (I suppose I am root by default?). There are many apps in each startup folder and I am not sure what they do... yet.
No, only when you log on as spot and yes, root is the default user in LHP. Keep in mind with KDE the startup folder is different from the other desktops. KDE's startup is at $HOME/.kde/Autostart while the other WMs use $HOME/startup, where $HOME is current user's home folder: for root it's /root, for spot it's /home/spot. Too see what code is executed, right-click on each item and choose Open as Text. (Choose Show Target first for a symlink.)
-TazOC
[url=http://www.lhpup.org/][b][size=100]lhpup.org[/size][/b] [img]http://www.lhpup.org/gallery/images/favicon.png[/img][/url] [url=http://www.lhpup.org/release-lhp.htm#602]Lighthouse 64 6.02[/url]

User avatar
gulk
Posts: 86
Joined: Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:04

#652 Post by gulk »

tazoc wrote:KDE 4 is by far the largest desktop but Kdenlive requires it. KDE and Xfce are the only ones I have set up to easily remove. Unload the respective SFS in BootManager and reboot if that's what you were to decide. KDE also has an uninstaller in the Settings Menu, though it's not a necessity. I tried to keep the software that requires KDE 3/4 all in the same SFS but Battleshooter's compilation of Kdenlive came on the scene later.
Thanks for the quick response!
Basically, you mean that if I want to use Kdenlive, but don't need any other of the KDE apps (I'm not going to use KDE as a desktop manager), I can just remove the apps from the KDE uninstaller and they will be gone from the sfs (or at least somehow hidden)?
Will the apps be removed from the lxpanel or will I need to configure that by hand?

User avatar
tazoc
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 08:07
Location: Lower Columbia Basin WA US
Contact:

#653 Post by tazoc »

Hi gulk,
The KDE Uninstaller just backs out the changes that the KDE-Setup made, e.g., restores the logout panels so that KDE is not listed. If you want to keep Kdenlive you'll need to keep the KDE SFS installed. If you want to remove some of the KDE apps from the menu system, open '/usr/share/applications/kde4' in a file manager and delete items as desired, (not Kdenlive!) And the same for 'usr/share/applications/kde' (that's the KDE3 apps), then choose 'Refresh Menus' in Settings or run 'fixmenus' in a terminal. That should update the menu system and the items you deleted will be hidden from the menus.
-TazOC
[url=http://www.lhpup.org/][b][size=100]lhpup.org[/size][/b] [img]http://www.lhpup.org/gallery/images/favicon.png[/img][/url] [url=http://www.lhpup.org/release-lhp.htm#602]Lighthouse 64 6.02[/url]

User avatar
gulk
Posts: 86
Joined: Mon 21 Apr 2008, 19:04

#654 Post by gulk »

That's exactly what I was looking for! Thanks a lot, I can't wait to try that home tonight :) This is simply awesome.

Now for the harder part: with compiz enabled (by the way did I mention it worked right away using your sfs??? :shock: :D ), wbar has some kind of a translucent box around it and I can't seem to be able to remove it. Any idea?
If not, I can definitely live with it and I now have a jaw dropping super cool environment that I am still in the process of discovering.

User avatar
edoc
Posts: 4729
Joined: Sun 07 Aug 2005, 20:16
Location: Southeast Georgia, USA
Contact:

#655 Post by edoc »

tazoc wrote:If you want to remove some of the KDE apps from the menu system, open '/usr/share/applications/kde4' in a file manager and delete items as desired, (not Kdenlive!) And the same for 'usr/share/applications/kde' (that's the KDE3 apps), then choose 'Refresh Menus' in Settings or run 'fixmenus' in a terminal. That should update the menu system and the items you deleted will be hidden from the menus.
-TazOC
May the removed KDE apps be selectively restored or are they gone and restoring them becomes a complex process?
[b]Thanks! David[/b]
[i]Home page: [/i][url]http://nevils-station.com[/url]
[i]Don't google[/i] [b]Search![/b] [url]http://duckduckgo.com[/url]
TahrPup64 & Lighthouse64-b602 & JL64-603

User avatar
Q5sys
Posts: 1105
Joined: Thu 11 Dec 2008, 19:49
Contact:

#656 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:
Q5sys wrote:Im going to throw out a crazy wild question out here... any chance it'll work better with multi monitors than the previous versions? And I dont mean cloning but extending the desktop onto both screens?
That's a good question but I don't have a clue. I'll look through the documentation when I have a chance. Refresh my memory please, is yours an Intel card?
-TazOC
yes, sadly im cursed with an intel video card. it can clone fine... just cant for some reason extend the desktop

User avatar
jasmac
Posts: 62
Joined: Wed 03 Jun 2009, 23:15
Location: Canberra, Australia

#657 Post by jasmac »

Hello, again it has been awhile since I have looked in to see whats changed. Like the new xfce sfs, it is working just fine. Still using LHP on my usb and take it everywhere and still working great. I have a new background, following my usual abstract theme, hope you like it.

Cheers

Jason


http://i40.tinypic.com/14j2ptl.jpg

Jim1911
Posts: 2460
Joined: Mon 19 May 2008, 20:39
Location: Texas, USA

#658 Post by Jim1911 »


User avatar
tazoc
Posts: 1157
Joined: Mon 11 Dec 2006, 08:07
Location: Lower Columbia Basin WA US
Contact:

#659 Post by tazoc »

gulk wrote:Now for the harder part: with compiz enabled (by the way did I mention it worked right away using your sfs??? :shock: :D ), wbar has some kind of a translucent box around it and I can't seem to be able to remove it. Any idea?
If not, I can definitely live with it and I now have a jaw dropping super cool environment that I am still in the process of discovering.
Yeah C-F is nice and reliable when it works. But Wbar has that clear box around it and the only way I know to remove it is to use a different WM and compositing method, such as that in Xfce 4 (Menu | Setup | Xfce Settings | Window Manager Tweaks | Compositor) or KDE 4 (System Settings | Desktop | Enable Desktop Effects).
edoc wrote:May the removed KDE apps be selectively restored or are they gone and restoring them becomes a complex process?
In a frugal install they can be easily restored by copying them from /initrd/pup_ro4/usr/share/applications/kde4 to /usr/share/applications/kde4 and then refreshing the menus, and in IceWM restarting the WM.
jasmac wrote:I have a new background, following my usual abstract theme, hope you like it.
Hi Jason :D I've missed you and thank you for the great new background! It will be in the upcoming LHP 5.00 A release.
Take care,
TazOC
[url=http://www.lhpup.org/][b][size=100]lhpup.org[/size][/b] [img]http://www.lhpup.org/gallery/images/favicon.png[/img][/url] [url=http://www.lhpup.org/release-lhp.htm#602]Lighthouse 64 6.02[/url]

User avatar
Q5sys
Posts: 1105
Joined: Thu 11 Dec 2008, 19:49
Contact:

#660 Post by Q5sys »

tazoc wrote:I also updated Lighthouse to Xorg-xserver 1.7.7 and Mesa 7.8.1 with OpenGL 2.1 support and DRI (direct rendering interface) hardware acceleration from Slackware 13.1 Beta 1 repos. Xserver 1.7.7 was released on May 4th and it's looking very good here. So far the 3D performance with my setup is right on par with the ATI proprietary drivers in prior releases and hopefully will work as well with nVidia, Intel and other display cards.
Take care,
TazOC
I've been following Barry's blog, dont know if you have as well... but I'm hoping that the next version will not run into the same troubles that Barry has spoken about regarding the Intel hardware with quirky. No way to know though till we test it. Whenever you release it (again no rush!!) I'll put it through its paces on the two intel gfx platforms I have and report back.
So anyone out there with an intel card, dont worry yet. It will be tested... just give some time.

Post Reply