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Béèm


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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 18:43    Post subject: strange times of files in tmp after boot.
Subject description: quirky 1.2rc		  
strange times of files in tmp after boot.
The red rectangle in the picture indicates the boot time.
Strangely enough, there are files which have a time 21 hours before the boot time.

How does this come?
Fortunately, important files like bootxxx.log seem to be correct.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 19:24    Post subject:  
The new file lists of "builtin" packages in Quirky 1.2 makes it easy to uninstall apps before remastering.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01620

I made a "builtin packages remover".
New version: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=422950#422950
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Sylvander

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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 19:42    Post subject:  
The latest retro version 1.2rc will not boot on either of my two PC's, when the previous retro version 1.1 booted fine on both. Sad
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BarryK
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 21:27    Post subject: Re: strip is buggy  
tatemono wrote:
/bin/e3 crashes after applying strip command to reduce its size.
By the way, strip of Puppy 4.3.1 has the same problem.


We know this. Why are you reporting this as a bug?
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 21:29    Post subject: Re: too many vi  
tatemono wrote:
I found 2 vi in Quirky 1.2rc.
One is /bin/vi, while the other is an alias, e3vi.


See blog:
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01629
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 21:50    Post subject: Re: Please apply shinobar's shell script to fix a bug in JWM  
tatemono wrote:
After adding a suitable unicode TTF file to Quirky, SeaMonkey displays unicode characters. However, it does not display unicode characters in its title bar. For example, if you visit http://map.yahoo.co.jp/, you cannot see the last 2 characters of "Yahoo!地図" displayed in title bar of SeaMonkey even if Android's TTF is added to the system.

In fact, this problem was solved by shinobar 11 months ago. Please apply his shell script, whose URL is http://shino.pos.to/linux/puppy/jwm_font_repair.sh, to fix a bug in JWM's setting causing this problem.


No, shinobar's script breaks JWM.

The script changes all entries like "DejVu Sans-12" to "DejaVu Sans 12". However, I found long ago that doing that breaks JWM.

If you modify /root/.jwm/jwm-theme:

Code:
<WindowStyle>
    <Font>DejaVu Sans-14</Font>


...the title gets bigger, as expected. However, if you replace the '-' with a space, JWM ignores the size parameter, just uses the system default size, which is 12.

This is really a bug in JWM, it should be raised with the developer.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 21:55    Post subject: Re: clock setting
Subject description: quirky 1.2rc		  
Béèm wrote:
I think, 95% of the users are unaware of the clock setting local/UTC and will be confused and won't know what to choose.

I think it's a too technical a question to ask.

Before the discussion on the issue, recently, I wasn't aware of this difference either.


The dialog window states that almost all Windows installations use localtime, also it states if in doubt choose localtime. So I don't see the problem.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 21:58    Post subject: Re: strange times of files in tmp after boot.
Subject description: quirky 1.2rc		  
Béèm wrote:
strange times of files in tmp after boot.
The red rectangle in the picture indicates the boot time.
Strangely enough, there are files which have a time 21 hours before the boot time.

How does this come?
Fortunately, important files like bootxxx.log seem to be correct.


This is deliberate. I only need to know if it causes any trouble.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 22:00    Post subject:  
puppymartin wrote:
The new file lists of "builtin" packages in Quirky 1.2 makes it easy to uninstall apps before remastering.
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01620

I made a drag and drop "builtin packages remover".

Install the pet and open two windows:
Window 1: /root/my-applications/bin/remove_builtin_files
Window 2: /root/.packages/builtin_files

Now drag and drop (one by one) the files from window 2 to the script "remove.pl" in window 1

The maps "backup" and "removed" will show you what you did.
Make a backup of your safe-file before using this script!


A thought: when an application is "uninstalled", also delete it's entry in /root/.packages/builtin_files -- would be important thing to do if remastering.
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jpeps

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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 22:02    Post subject:  
I've noticed that quirky seems to have difficulty with streaming videos. I tried several browsers after pfix=ram using various youtube videos, and then compared with 4.4, which played them all smoothly with no issues. I'm using a Dell latitude D600 with a gig of ram.

edit: Did more tests...problems consistent in quirky 110 & 112 across all browsers (FF, opera, seamonkey, google-cromium) for same youtube videos that run smoothly in 4.4. Videos stall, get out of sync, etc.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 22:04    Post subject:  
Sylvander wrote:
The latest retro version 1.2rc will not boot on either of my two PC's, when the previous retro version 1.1 booted fine on both. Sad


I don't know of any change between 1.1 and 1.2rc that would affect booting.

Please provide more details.
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 22:08    Post subject:  
/root/Choices/Mime-types/application_x-chm still reads
Quote:
exec chmseeshell "$1"

/usr/share/mime/globs still contains
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application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document:*.docx
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PostPosted: Sat 29 May 2010, 23:56    Post subject: Re: clock setting
Subject description: quirky 1.2rc		  
BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:
I think, 95% of the users are unaware of the clock setting local/UTC and will be confused and won't know what to choose.

I think it's a too technical a question to ask.

Before the discussion on the issue, recently, I wasn't aware of this difference either.


The dialog window states that almost all Windows installations use localtime, also it states if in doubt choose localtime. So I don't see the problem.

if your not going to boot to desktop, minimal questions are preferable.
set default to localtime and alter it after desktop is reached if necessary.
my preference is also for get rid of that question.
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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 03:51    Post subject:  
@BarryK
"Please provide more details."
1. Hardware:
PC1 = Compaq Deskpro EN made 1999.
256MB RAM, Pentium-3 800MHz CPU, PCI to IDE SCSI RAID controller card in use.

PC2 = non-proprietary tower of 2002, Asus A7A266, 3x256MB Ram, 1000MHz CPU.

2. Quirky.
(a) Originally Quirky 100 only on PC1.

(b) Updated PC1 to qret-104 worked fine.

(c) On PC2, brought qret-104 into use just fine.

(d) On PC's 1 & 2, attempted to update using CD-RW made using qret-112.
Boot got only as far as attempting loading of 2nd line = initrd.gz [if I remember right], and halting there for long time.
Eventually it reported the problem to me [warning dialog].
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PostPosted: Sun 30 May 2010, 04:43    Post subject: Re: strange times of files in tmp after boot.
Subject description: quirky 1.2rc		  
BarryK wrote:
Béèm wrote:
strange times of files in tmp after boot.
The red rectangle in the picture indicates the boot time.
Strangely enough, there are files which have a time 21 hours before the boot time.

How does this come?
Fortunately, important files like bootxxx.log seem to be correct.


This is deliberate. I only need to know if it causes any trouble.
OK then.
At first sight, it doesn't give trouble unless in case of in depth diagnostic purposes it is important to know when things have happened at which time.
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