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BarryK
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Re: High CPU Temp.

#201 Post by BarryK »

DaveS wrote:
OverDrive wrote:Hello, There is a thread started outside of this one about high CPU Temps.

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=55417

I just thought it would be appropriate to include a link into this thread. At 1st blush, I don't think the acpi is working with the fan correctly.

OverDrive
Yes, the info there describes pretty much what happens on my system (intel dual core T23330) Its fine in 4.3, runs around 40-45 deg, but in Q1.2 just goes up steadily till I shut down at around 70deg. Would probably go higher if I let it.
Hmmm, could you please try this:

1.
In /root/Startup, change 'acpi' to not-executable (right click on it and choose Properties).
2.
In /etc/init.d, change 'rc.acpi' to not-executable.
3.
Reboot.
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#202 Post by OverDrive »

Barry, I went ahead and tried that. The temp stayed at 63c idling or under good load. It never popped up a temp warning dialog box.

Without your tweak it would issue a warning in just a few minutes with temp 71c or more.

Just to let you know if you haven't caught up on the other thread, I copied the contents of start_cpu_freq over from my known good 4.31 setup and the temp went down to 48c idling and 55/63c when under good load.

It seems to me the CPU Frequency Scaling Tool needs some tweaking for Quirky as it failed in loading *any* module for my laptop whereas there was no problem in 4.31. I can't remember who maintains that one.

So in summary I don't think there is a problem with anything kernel / ACPI module wise. Just the tool needs a tweak.

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#203 Post by rjbrewer »

I tried it with a full Quirky install and clicking refresh after
"de-executableizing" :) the 2 files, the cpu scaling was automatically
enabled to the same settings as the 3 other puppies I have
installed.

I still get the high temp warning on video streams, but the 70c
setting is about 4c low for full fan turn on with this laptop.

Edit;
I had no problem using the net with sns; even though the little
blue globe in tray was saying I didn't have an active interface.

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#204 Post by DaveS »

Now that I have the temp under control, this seems the best Puppy EVER. It can finally allow me to control the brightness of my screen using the FN key on my lappy. No other Puppy has ever been able to do that :). Odd little things here and there, but hey, its Quirky, right? :)
Now here is interesting: with the temp control working, this is actually chewing through my laptop battery about 25% SLOWER than 4.3.1! 25% more run time...Yay! AND the filechooser dialogue is wholly visible.
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#205 Post by aarf »

rjbrewer wrote: Edit;
I had no problem using the net with sns; even though the little
blue globe in tray was saying I didn't have an active interface.
my impression is that the update pets for sns are not in this quirky. i haven't been able to hold connection with my wifi in q112 sometime cant connect at all, then on switch to puppeeerc3.5 using pwireless2 it holds for hours even when not in use. consequently only minimal testing of q112.

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#206 Post by Firewave »

Apparently the pixma backend comes with sane-backends. Investigating.

Something else came up:
# man test
find: `/usr/share/doc/puppylogo96.png/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/puppylogo48.png/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/release-Quirky-1.1.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/release-Quirky-100.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/hiawatha.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/release-Quirky-1.0.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/puppylogo96.png/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/puppylogo48.png/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/release-Quirky-1.1.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/release-Quirky-100.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/hiawatha.htm/': Not a directory
find: `/usr/share/doc/release-Quirky-1.0.htm/': Not a directory
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Laptop running hot.

#207 Post by Béèm »

I applied Barry's advice, but my laptop is still running hot.
I looked at the start_cpu_freq, but it's no code in the script file.
I looked at the one of the 4.3.1, but it's the same.
What is the use of a script file without code?

I tried to see at what speed the fan is running, but apparently I only have the indication 0 rpm.
Do I have to activate some mod?
Do you guys see at what speed the fan is running?
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Re: Laptop running hot.

#208 Post by aarf »

Béèm wrote: I tried to see at what speed the fan is running, but apparently I only have the indication 0 rpm.
Do I have to activate some mod?
Do you guys see at what speed the fan is running?
PWIDGETS TEMPERATURE WIDGET HAS BOTH TEMPERATURE aND FAN SPEED</caps lock>

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Re: Laptop running hot.

#209 Post by rjbrewer »

aarf wrote:
Béèm wrote: I tried to see at what speed the fan is running, but apparently I only have the indication 0 rpm.
Do I have to activate some mod?
Do you guys see at what speed the fan is running?
PWIDGETS TEMPERATURE WIDGET HAS BOTH TEMPERATURE aND FAN SPEED</caps lock>
Mr. Widget says I don't have any fans! :lol:

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Re: Laptop running hot.

#210 Post by aarf »

rjbrewer wrote:
aarf wrote:
Béèm wrote: I tried to see at what speed the fan is running, but apparently I only have the indication 0 rpm.
Do I have to activate some mod?
Do you guys see at what speed the fan is running?
PWIDGETS TEMPERATURE WIDGET HAS BOTH TEMPERATURE aND FAN SPEED</caps lock>
Mr. Widget says I don't have any fans! :lol:
speak with micko he fixes awol fans

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Re: Laptop running hot.

#211 Post by rjbrewer »

aarf wrote:
rjbrewer wrote:
aarf wrote: PWIDGETS TEMPERATURE WIDGET HAS BOTH TEMPERATURE aND FAN SPEED</caps lock>
Mr. Widget says I don't have any fans! :lol:
speak with micko he fixes awol fans
Never mind;
Found something that controls fan speed much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxfAjAy ... re=related

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Re: Laptop running hot.

#212 Post by jpeps »

aarf wrote: speak with micko he fixes awol fans
The temp widget tries to read /proc/eee or /proc/acpi/fan. If there's nothing in either (like for my laptop), eliminating line 51 in .pwidgets/widget/Temp_cpu gets rid of the annoying message.

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Re: Laptop running hot.

#213 Post by nooby »

jpeps wrote:
aarf wrote: speak with micko he fixes awol fans
The temp widget tries to read /proc/eee or /proc/acpi/fan. If there's nothing in either (like for my laptop), eliminating line 51 in .pwidgets/widget/Temp_cpu gets rid of the annoying message.
If the annoying message refers to a real rise of temperature then it is a very important message. if it is a bug or failure to measure correctly then that is important to sort out which is which.

So how can one find out if the temp is high or not without taking the thing apart and putting a mechanical sensor there?
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
not an ideal solution though

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#214 Post by BarryK »

I posted here about possible problem with jerky Flash playing when using the on-demand frequency governor:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01637

Bèèm,
You asked about /root/Startup/start_cpu_freq -- the above link has a script that has been reported to fix the heat problem.
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#215 Post by nooby »

BarryK, can I take your words to mean that it is not an annoying message then.

It is a true message that the real physical temperature is really that high?
Can one trust that measurement or is it still 40 but reporting over the recommended limit?
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Re: Laptop running hot.

#216 Post by jpeps »

nooby wrote:
jpeps wrote:
aarf wrote: speak with micko he fixes awol fans
The temp widget tries to read /proc/eee or /proc/acpi/fan. If there's nothing in either (like for my laptop), eliminating line 51 in .pwidgets/widget/Temp_cpu gets rid of the annoying message.
If the annoying message refers to a real rise of temperature then it is a very important message. if it is a bug or failure to measure correctly then that is important to sort out which is which.
The temperature reading still displays. There's a fan module (/sys/module/fan) loaded...the widget just doesn't read it.

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Re: Laptop running hot.

#217 Post by Béèm »

rjbrewer wrote:
aarf wrote:
rjbrewer wrote: Mr. Widget says I don't have any fans! :lol:
speak with micko he fixes awol fans
Never mind;
Found something that controls fan speed much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjxfAjAy ... re=related
And for a good price. :wink:
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#218 Post by jpeps »

BarryK wrote:I posted here about possible problem with jerky Flash playing when using the on-demand frequency governor:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01637
I'm running an Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz with a 1024 kb cache on my Dell Latitude D600. The cpufreq_ondemand module is not loaded by default, and loading it doesn't alter the flash problem.

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snap2 update fixes non-working menu entry

#219 Post by lstandish »

I just realized that snap2's "snapshot backup now!" menu entry is not working in v 4.13 (and below). This escaped my attention because I develop the program (and run it daily) in Debian. I'm sorry for the confusion and inconvenience this may have caused.

This is fixed in version 4.14 (pet download: http://files.lstandish.com/

The "snapshot backup now!" menu entry is included to allow one-click backup (no GUI). I could remove it from the Puppy snap2 distribution if users prefer.
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#220 Post by rjbrewer »

jpeps wrote:
BarryK wrote:I posted here about possible problem with jerky Flash playing when using the on-demand frequency governor:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01637
I'm running an Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1600MHz with a 1024 kb cache on my Dell Latitude D600. The cpufreq_ondemand module is not loaded by default, and loading it doesn't alter the flash problem.
Strange: your D600 has identical parts and specs as my 700m, and I
don't have any "jerky" streaming problems; with or without cpu
scaling.

Inspiron 700m, Pent.M 1.6Ghz, 1Gb ram.
Msi Wind U100, N270 1.6>2.0Ghz, 1.5Gb ram.
Eeepc 8g 701, 900Mhz, 1Gb ram.
Full installs

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