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PostPosted: Tue 01 Jun 2010, 03:39    Post subject:  

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Compiling OpenShot is a big project, I have the same itch but I can't pull myself doing it yet


Crying or Very sad
I have been using Openshot in Ubuntu
Nothing else - well maybe kino
is simple, obvious and just works

Openshot was compiled for Puppy but did not display properly for me
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=336508&search_id=1433400339#336508

It makes perfect sense that more modern Puppy OS
should be running more demanding software Cool

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Jun 2010, 17:54    Post subject:  

Hi

I agree...

Same thing with gnucash: it is actually the only one Linux software able to process with security chip cards and that only in the self compiled version!

An Fatdog needs definitively Skype . No distribution is complete without offering skype (it works good on U 10.4 but nothing to do in Debian SID for AMD 64 Embarassed ) or kopete + skype or the new version of pidgin able to operate with skype.

For students and school one music sheet editor is a must: no complete educative work is possible without that. not only for music people (and there is no help online: you can write texts, or spread sheets, or chat online with zoho or meebo etc. nothing to do with music sheets... the only one thing you can do is try to use somewhat from the Microsoft world in wine Rolling Eyes Idea ...)

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PostPosted: Tue 01 Jun 2010, 23:08    Post subject:  

Furanshisuko,

Frequency scaling may not do you any good. I read an article years ago about a guy who did some tests with a laptop that had a Pentium M. He removed the battery and connected an amp meter to the power supply, then did tests with the CPU at various frequencies and loads. With the CPU at (near) idle, the power consumption was the same regardless of the frequency. Under load, the lower frequencies used less power, but took proportionately longer to finish the task. So it seems that Intel (and probably AMD) have in their microcode routines to adjust frequency based on load, which only makes sense if your putting that much engineering into something. Intel clams on their web site that their laptop CPUs "automatically adjusts to users' unique workloads and reduces power consumption"

oui,

Skype is a binary download only (as far as I know) and is only 32bit. Yes, they do make a package for 64bit Ubuntu, but if you download that package you'll find it's binary is compiled 32bit. So Ubuntu 64bit must have a complete set of 32bit libraries available.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Jun 2010, 05:22    Post subject:  

kirk wrote:
Skype is a binary download only (as far as I know) and is only 32bit. Yes, they do make a package for 64bit Ubuntu, but if you download that package you'll find it's binary is compiled 32bit. So Ubuntu 64bit must have a complete set of 32bit libraries available.


Was about to say the same thing. Not even that, the so-called "static" package is not even statically-compiled - it's another dynamic 32-bit binaries with QT libs thrown in. So, it still doesn't work. A fully-static image will work (for example, try the static aaphoto - you will find that although it's a 32-bit binary, it works under FD64).

So what we can do? That's the problem with closed-source software - if it doesn't work, there is nothing that one can do. Perhaps you want to beg them to open their code, or at least, provide a real 64-bit binaries?

RC2 contains pidgin, actually, but I'm not aware that it's compatible with skype?

On the up side, I managed to compile openshot. It's 30MB pet and uses about 75MB after installation. Some of the icons are missing - but at least it seems to work Smile. Note - you need python, which is available in devx. If you don't want the devx, then you'll need to get the python packages from t2-packs yourself.

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Jun 2010, 15:45    Post subject:  

Hi Jamesbond

jamesbond wrote:
So, it still doesn't work.


I am sorry, but it's wrong: On the site of Skype it is named "for Ubuntu" and it works correctly in Ubuntu 64 (but not in Debian 64). If you want, we can skype together, you with your 32 bit puppy and I with my Ubuntu 10.4 for AMD 64 Very Happy ... It works: I did erase my Debian Sid partition for this reason to use Ubuntu and Skype and it is for me completely indifferent in which format it works: Important is only that the main functions of the globally installed software and not only Skype happens as exact as today possible according to the destination of the CPU and hardware design.

But renounce today to Skype? No. Consequently No...

For the same reason you can see on the forum that I regulary work with Quirky and that I consider, that I can't work any more with fatdog, because Skype works in Quirky and not in fatdog and I can't shut me down from rest of the world in fatdog as I am a Skype user thank Puppy years and years (puppy did propose all the time Skype as the rest of the Linux world did try to promote ekiga, the GnomeMeeting. It was the best choice: Ekiga did never reach the diffusion of Skype at all, so that the Ekiga user are in a closed restrictive areal...)

The matter is not if the software actually uses in all situations the full power of the hardware but if it allow an optimal globally use of it in actual kind of view.

Concerning this detail, I would like to refer you to the introduction of "Pelicanhpc" concerning the data format and the very bad usage of the ability of hardware.
Perhaps we also have in the next time a composed Puppy super computer in the manneer of Pelicanhpc clusters Idea if we take care to optimise the use of the middle that we have at our disposition?

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PostPosted: Wed 02 Jun 2010, 22:31    Post subject:  

oui,

Open a terminal where your skype binary is located (maybe /usr/bin) and type "file skype" or in Puppy right click on it and go to properties. You'll see that the 64bit Ubuntu Skype package is a 32bit binary.
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PostPosted: Wed 02 Jun 2010, 23:47    Post subject:  

Jamesbond:

I'm glad, and can't wait to test your Openshot PET. So when you think it's near ready, share it please.

Kirk: I haven't measure the energy consumption, but I do see a drop in temperture and the fan of my pc runs more quietly, when I turn on Frequency scaling tool.
Maybe the difference is noticiable when using a more power hungry processor (instead of de Pentium M).
I don't expect you blindly believe my words, just pick any laptop, boot with one of the latest puppy versions and turn frequency scaling on, you will see the difference by yourself without measures..

Any way, my plan is to use fatdog64+video editors in a desktop computer.

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Jun 2010, 11:01    Post subject:  

Furanshiko, please see here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56390. kirk has released rc3, and I've released openshot there as well (you need the python pet to run it).
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PostPosted: Sun 06 Jun 2010, 22:09    Post subject:  

Furanshisuko wrote:
That gui for the frequency scaling tool gave me this error:

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Fail - Module powernow-k8 is not compatible
Please try another module



There is a bug in the that GUI. I have corrected it, and have uploaded it to the repo. Alternatively you can get it from the forum thread, page 4 (version 1.3-3).

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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 02:41    Post subject:  

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I've released openshot there as well (you need the python pet to run it).


. . . and I am using it with thanks

eg.
Fatdog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHyFPhj3a8Y

Fluppy TV
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Yinyana Buddhist Kitten prays for Puppy Linux
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Honing my editing skills using Puppy Linux

Puppy Linux
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PostPosted: Mon 07 Jun 2010, 07:29    Post subject:  

Click on this image to see a background for FatDog


Created in XaraLX after JamesBond was kind enough to help me get Xara running in Fatdog using a top secret project . . .

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 00:26    Post subject:  

Thanks rcrsn51 I thought something where odd about it.

Haha typical Nooby to not realize this is 2010 not april 2012.
So something about the way one give names to distros fooled me. Smile

Obviously my brain don't really read what texts says. Embarrassing.

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 00:29    Post subject:  

@nooby: Check the dates. This thread is for the old Fatdog, not Fatdog-600.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 02:08    Post subject:  

jb/kirk:
please see my response in beta2 thread. Ta.
Later:
Couldn't find the beta3 d/l on ibiblio???

Got me confused now (not difficult)! Beta3/600-beta2. Seem to have missed something important whilst away doing other stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Jun 2012, 04:41    Post subject:  

Old thread from 2010. Current Fatdog64 -600 release is b2.
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