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Thunderbird 8.0 Released and Eudora OSE 1.0 on way out
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prehistoric


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PostPosted: Thu 20 May 2010, 08:39    Post subject: interest in Eudora  

This is just a note to tell you I know several people (who would never post on a Puppy forum) for whom Eudora is essential. It is probably the last thing preventing them from switching, as the burden of security on Windoze is becoming a major drawback.

With a good browser, media player, and perhaps a word processor, this sounds like the basis for a niche distribution for people primarily interested in using a computer for email.
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PostPosted: Mon 31 May 2010, 23:40    Post subject:  

Eudora 8 is basically an enhanced Eudora 7, those that use Eudora 7 for windows should be right at home with Eudora 8 As a puppy user, you can even just copy your settings,bookmarks,mailfiles across to your new id folder found under /root/.thunderbird and be up and going straight away.

It's not a Thunderbird clone at all, it just uses some of it's bits through Penelope into Mozilla.

I'm awaiting the next beta, maybe even the first official prerelease before .pet'ing it as most problems have been solved. A pet will be created then. Most problems in the last two have been security related with a few "minor" fixes incorperated, which is why I wasn't willing to put my name against a pet. Eudora are known to have many betas before release so that what is finally released doesn't come back at them.

Please be patient.

and regards to all
scsijon
ps Fox+Eud=a good internet mix for moving win users as they seem happy with that
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jul 2010, 19:37    Post subject:  

Just a heads up

i've been promised a rc1 in the next two weeks to package.

they have decided (at this time) that the new Eudora will go back to be called version 1, not 8

you should see a package for 4.3.1 as soon as I can get it tested and out as I think I have got the eudora8.pet packaging right and will be cut and pasting the other bits across. Maybe a week later.

A 5 version should be out (if needed) once I have luci-207 installed.

regards
scsijon

then it will be up to you to tell me what's wrong.
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jul 2010, 20:53    Post subject:  

Thanks for the heads up, I'll be checking it with Lucid since I hardly ever boot into 431 now.

Thanks,
Jim
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PostPosted: Wed 07 Jul 2010, 07:06    Post subject: to quote the readme  

I shall be building the .pet for 4.3.1 by the weekend
I hope to test it and have a release ready by monday

I shall then make one for luci209 when I am happy with it running on my box and release it hopefully next week sometime.

I shall put the link details at the top of the first page as it seems the standard, for the .pet's as soon as I have them setup.

We are only expecting the one rc as the team that handles Eudora IS known for longgggggggggggg beta runs, in this case there was 9.

please use the bugs section and the Eudora OSE1.0rc1 Topic if you have problems.
link: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=432509

thanks

scsijon

the start of the readme is below

==============================================================================
EUDORA OSE VERSION 1.0
==============================================================================

Eudora OSE is a mail and news application from Qualcomm based on the open source
Thunderbird client from Mozilla. It's *not* our intention to compete with
Thunderbird; rather, we want to complement it.

Qualcomm is committed to both preserving the Eudora user experience and to
maintaining maximum compatibility, for both developers and users, with
Thunderbird. It is our goal to build a single development community around
Thunderbird and Eudora, so that both mailers advance faster than they
previously have.

Whereas "Eudora OSE" is a branded version of Thunderbird with some extra
features added by the Eudora developers, "Penelope" is an extension (also
called an "add-on") that is used in Eudora OSE and can also be used with
Thunderbird. The Eudora OSE installer includes the corresponding version of
Penelope along with it so there is no need to install Penelope if you are
installing Eudora OSE. Most features in Penelope can be accessed when used with
Thunderbird, but there are a few that require Eudora OSE in order to work
correctly and it's not something that gets tested.

Sometimes in documentation there is a need to differentiate the older
versions of Eudora made by Qualcomm from current Thunderbird-based versions
of Eudora OSE. This will normally be done by labeling the older versions of
Eudora as "original Eudora" or "Classic Eudora".

The main web page for Eudora OSE/Penelope can be found at
<http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope>.

We encourage people to help the progress of Penelope, whether you know how
to write code or not. This was one of the main drivers to our decision to
go open source with Eudora. More details can be found here:
<http://wiki.mozilla.org/Penelope#Get_Involved>.
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scsijon

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PostPosted: Thu 08 Jul 2010, 07:58    Post subject: heads up 431 and luci209 builds  

1- 431 version build
- a problem has ocurred where it is asking for lib's that it has internally
- I am totally rebuilding the partition and it tomorrow from scratch as the parn has been played with, i think for too long, and has become unstable.
>update> on hold, lib problem intermittant, starting build from scratch to prove to me whether it's me or package.

2- luci209 version
- built and installs cleanly and runs
- will test this weekend and if no issues will upload to my limited access website sunday night for your tests
>update> testing ok at present, if still ok tomorrow, will load up with a link tuesday night (my time) is some 13meg as rc1 has some debugging still in it.

regards
scsijon
>updates> as above
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PostPosted: Mon 12 Jul 2010, 18:38    Post subject: update2  

431 version on hold for next 48hrs, lib problem intermittant although it actually runs ok, may just release with a warning.

luci209 version has been/is being passed to playdayz for his testing and if no problems, it should then appear in the PPM.

I have just completed testing it against 210. no problems found

JUST A REMINDER TO REBOOT AFTER INSTALLING and before using the first time, plus give it time to setup your /root/.thunderbird directory when you first click on the icon, it takes about a minute to do that!

reminder that it has a problem topic in the bugs area, please use that, not this topic for bugs. Link is:

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=432509#432509

regards
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PostPosted: Fri 30 Jul 2010, 19:35    Post subject:  

ok

rc1 is out, see the top post for its location

our only problem seems to be where the ppm expects the libs to be, so ignore the missing libs warning, it should run ok anyway and make sure you give it time to create your .thunderbird profile, it does usually take a good minute to do it all, even on a fast machine.

i'm working with getting rc2 up and ready now, it should only overwrite what needs to be when installed, but the usual warning so backup your hidden /root/.thunderbird directory, you can copy it back afterwards if yours has been corrupted.

problem to the bugs topic please as both I and the eudora team is monitoring that one, not this one for problems.

have fun
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Sat 31 Jul 2010, 12:49    Post subject:  

scsijon,

Thanks for sticking with it and producing this eudora_rc1.pet. It works great. Very Happy

One serious problem is it's use of the hidden file .thunderbird for it's profile information. Can this be changed to .eudora or .Penelope? Really messes up the use of Thunderbird which was the previous best e-mail choice for Linux and has too much info to be discarded. Should this be reported to the eudora team as a bug? Sad

Looking forward to rc2.

Thanks again,
Jim Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue 05 Oct 2010, 02:55    Post subject: OSEv1 RC2  

Eudora OSEv1 RC2 has been built and tested through to completion.

It can be installed over a rc1 pet (usual caveat here) as it only alters the /opt/eudora directory content and not your /root/.thunderbird

Versions built so far are for/with:
- 4.3.1/2
- wary
- 511
-squeeze/zen

If you want others please ask (with reason please why a current one won't do, as testing is quite thorough and takes a lot of time) and i'll see what I can add it.

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PostPosted: Fri 08 Oct 2010, 13:06    Post subject:  

I stated above that, one serious problem is it's use of the hidden file .thunderbird for it's profile information. Can this be changed to .eudora or .Penelope? Really messes up the use of Thunderbird which was the previous best e-mail choice for Linux and has too much info to be discarded. Should this be reported to the eudora team as a bug?

I should have corrected this earlier, actually the use of .thunderbird by both Eudora and Thunderbird is a great feature. Neither mess up the use of it and both are able to use it without any problem.

Thanks for continuing to develop Eudora and sharing it with us.

Cheers,
Jim
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PostPosted: Sat 09 Oct 2010, 08:26    Post subject: Eudora Portable  

Also Eudora, like Thunderbird, Firefox and Seamonkey can be made portable with this script (place into directory where eudora-bin resides and launch from it)
Code:
#!/bin/sh
#Version 0.0.5
#Put together by Alexander S.T. Ross (abushcrafter)
#Based on the luncher from: https://www.privacyfoundation.de/wiki/PortableLinuxApps
#Also based on the luncher from: http://portools.com/apps/iceweasel-portable
#

######### Dingo's addition to script - http://dokupuppylinux.co.cc/
if test -d profile ; then
printf "directory already exists\n"
else
mkdir -p profile/chrome
cat << EOF > profile/chrome/userChrome.css
/*
 * Do not remove the @namespace line -- it's required for correct functioning
 */
@namespace url("http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul"); /* set default namespace to XUL */


/*
 * Some possible accessibility enhancements:
 */
/*
 * Make all the default font sizes 20 pt:
 *
 * * {
 *   font-size: 20pt !important
 * }
 */

 * {
   font-size: 9pt !important;
   font-family: DejaVu Sans !important;
 }
/*   font-family: nimbus !important;*/

/*
 * Make menu items in particular 15 pt instead of the default size:
 *
 * menupopup > * {
 *   font-size: 15pt !important
 * }
 */

/*BK experimenting...
menupopup > * {
  font-size: 12pt !important
}
menu > * {
  font-size: 12pt !important
}
*/

/*
 * Give the Location (URL) Bar a fixed-width font
 *
 * #urlbar {
 *    font-family: monospace !important;
 * }
 */

/*
 * Eliminate the throbber and its annoying movement:
 *
 * #throbber-box {
 *   display: none !important;
 * }
 */

/*
 * For more examples see http://www.mozilla.org/unix/customizing.html
 */
EOF
fi
#if test -f /etc/fonts/local.conf.zip ; then
#printf "backup  file already exists\n"
#else
#zip /etc/fonts/local.conf.zip /etc/fonts/local.conf
#cat << EOF > /etc/fonts/local.conf
#<?xml version="1.0"?>
#<!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd">
#<!-- /etc/fonts/local.conf file for local customizations -->
#<fontconfig>
#<!--
  #Enable sub-pixel rendering
   #<match target="font">
      #<test qual="all" name="rgba">
         #<const>unknown</const>
      #</test>
      #<edit name="rgba" mode="assign"><const>rgb</const></edit>
   #</match>
#-->
        #<alias>
                #<family>sans-serif</family>
                #<prefer>
                        #<family>DejaVu Sans</family>
                #</prefer>
        #</alias>
#</fontconfig>
#EOF
#fi

#if test -f /usr/lib/libdbus-glib-1.so.2 ; then
#printf "file already exists\n"
#else
#petget +.extralibs/libdbus-glib-1-2_0.76-1_i386.deb
#fi

#if test -f /usr/lib/libdbus-1.so.3 ; then
#printf "file already exists\n"
#else
#petget +.extralibs/libdbus-1-3_1.2.1-5+lenny1_i386.deb
#fi
######## end of additions

export app="eudora"
export version="rc2"

echo "Welcome to the Linux version of $app $version in portable mode. Feedback is NOT disabled."
dir=${0%/*}
if [ "$dir" = "$0" ]; then
  dir="."
fi
HOME=${dir}/profile
cd "$dir"
#Remove the "#" from the next line to disable error output.
exec ./$app -no-remote -profile "./profile" $@ #2>/dev/null

if menu fonts look too small, you can uncomment commented part of code

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PostPosted: Mon 11 Oct 2010, 18:49    Post subject:  

Jim, I answered in the bugs thread, but basically the Eudora people are not willing to do this, it will be both too complicated and break what their trying to end up with. See that thread for their answer please.
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PostPosted: Mon 11 Oct 2010, 20:26    Post subject:  

scsijon wrote:
Jim, I answered in the bugs thread, but basically the Eudora people are not willing to do this, it will be both too complicated and break what their trying to end up with. See that thread for their answer please.
I believe that you misunderstood my modified comment. Actually using .thunderbird for both Eudora and Thunderbird is a great feature since both programs can read from it without any problem. I was wrong. Embarassed

Eudora is now my main e-mail program, looking forward to rc2.

Thanks,
Jim
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PostPosted: Thu 25 Nov 2010, 17:13    Post subject:  

I am pleased to announce that Eudora OSE V1.0 has reached release.

I shall be packaging this weekend (after elections) and testing next week so pets should be available next weekend(5-6 Dec). I also have a website and plan to put them up there until they appear in the tree.

Bugs left are being managed, but shouldn't effect us as they are mainly Rolling Eyes windows related. Rolling Eyes not Puppy.

Links on my webpage will have the pets to start with until the Puppy tree maintainers have the time to put them up there.

However, it's a smart idea to do a full backup of all your mailboxes and preferences files before doing the upgrade, as we have been warned that "in place" upgrades may have problems.
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