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PostPosted: Sat 03 Jul 2010, 12:58    Post_subject:  Kinda Lucid Puppy 006 (August 1st)
Sub_title: An updated, improved 4.3.1 with Opera and great multimedia
 

Kinda Lucid Puppy 006

What is it?

Kinda Lucid Puppy is a 4.3.1-based puplet for general usage. It is built to be better-looking, modern and suitable for multimedia than 4.3.1: one puplet to rule them all.

The difference between KLP and the original 4.3.1 is noticeable in 4 areas:
- Newer, updated stuff: Abiword, Gnumeric, Pmusic, Pburn, xine-lib and more. In two cases, 4.3.1 applications are replaced: Seamonkey with Opera and Pprocess with LXTask. The newer versions fix many of the severe bugs in 4.3.1, such as the ROX focus bug and the huge file chooser bug. Also, some unneeded applications are removed - for instance, Pcdripper is removed because Asunder is better and already included.
- Multimedia - KLP supports many new audio/video formats that 4.3.1 doesn't, including XviD, MPEG-4 and FLV, thanks to the upgraded multimedia packages.
- Woof - since the release of 4.3.1 Barry added many changes and improvements to Woof: a man replacement, a replacement for the old yaf-splash, clean unmount of save files and much more. KLP has them. Also, KLP has some stuff backported from later puppies, like the Lucid Puppy first-run wizard.
- Artwork - KLP looks great Smile

To sum up, Kinda Lucid Puppy is a "generic" puplet that offers all traditional Puppy stuff and sticks with Puppy tradition of small size and home-made applications, while providing a better usage experience.

Who is it for?

The target audience of this puplet is all Puppy users, especially people that need multimedia capabilities in their puplet, Opera fans, Puppy 4.x fans and people with hardware that doesn't get along with Lucid Puppy.

Changelog

006::
- New menu button (a computer icon) and tray buttons: desktop, browser, partview and rxvt.
- Added: the font appearance wizard I wrote for Lupu, a new printer manager (a modified version of ttuxxx's printer manager), LXRandR (the pet I made for Lupu), an improved tray icon for Pmusic.
- Recompiled and/or updated: libogg, libvorbis, libao, faac, faad2, ffmpeg, jwm (recompiled on KLP), libsamplerate, libsndfile, libtheora, x264, xine-lib, xvidcore, xz.
- Updated: Geany to 0.19, Pmusic to 1.0.3, Woof skeleton, Moo, Asunder to 2.0, Tar to 1.23.
- Removed: Pdict (useless), EmbeddedBookmarks (what the heck is that?), calcoo, pdvdrsab, pCD, pmetatagger, first run wizard, pstreamvid (pupRadio is better), you2pup (doesn't work), zmixer (very basic and useless, retrovol rocks), yasm and libvpx (no longer needed with the new ffmpeg), Pidgin (2.6.6 is getting old and it's huge).
- The chat icon now opens the freenode webchat through Opera.
- Opera runs without the mail/news/chat components loaded by default to make it lighter; the mail icon opens Opera with them, straight to the inbox.
- A new GTK theme, NeutrinoPuppy. Wink
- Way smaller than 005, mainly because Pidgin is out.

005:
- Updated: GTK from 2.14.7 to 2.16.16 (the 4.3.1 file chooser bug is fixed!), glib from 2.18.3 to 2.20.5, pwireless 0.8.4 to pwireless2, Tar from 1.19 to spup's patched 1.22, Moo from 009 to 010.
- Removed: Psip, PPLOG, Quisp, Hiawatha and the podcast grabber.
- Added: flsynclient, synclient and xz.
- Global system font set, much better fonts in Opera, GTK themes work better, the Raleigh GTK theme now works perfectly.
- Fixed Opera n' CUPS problem.
- Fixed the help page and the welcome page.
- Updated Woof to the version used to build Slackpup 0.4 beta.
- All Puppy MIME-type icons I removed are back now.
- New wallpaper, taken from GNOME Razz
- Major cleanup in /usr/share and /usr/local.
- Ships without sc0ttman's optional save thingy and the SFSs from psubdir thingy, they're quite controversial, so I removed them.
- Rebuilt directly from the Puppy 4.3.1 ISO Smile

004
- Replaced: Ayttm with Pidgin.
- Removed: cgtkcalc and ycalc (2 calculators, the other two are still there), mp (one console text editor, e3 is still there), NicoEdit, gfnrename, gplanarity, pstopwatch, Rubix, Xemeraldia, xsoldier, ctorrent, pctorrent, Axel, Uget, PictureViewer (what is that for?), pCD, pcdripper (Asunder is better) zfind and some wallpapers (the solid color and version-specific wallpapers).
- Updated: Pmusic from 1.0 to 1.0.1.
- Opera’s license moved to /usr/share/doc/legal.
- New artwork: a new icon set based on Gnome-Colors and the GNOME icon set and a new wallpaper taken from KDE.
- New icon/folder icons from GNOME.
- Some menu items removed (top, alsamixer).
- Removed some leftovers from the old 4.3.1 Abiword, PuppyBrowser, Seamonkey and Aqualung.
- Way more solid, more polished.

003
- Replaced fonts - Puppy comes with DejaVu LGC fonts, a slightly smaller variant of the DejaVu fonts that includes only Euorpean languages. I replaced them with the "normal" DejaVu fonts to support languages such as Arabic and Hebrew. Wink
- Way better artwork, great contrast and a better choice of colors - a blend of black with blue, red and violet (see the screenies!) Very Happy
- Tiny clean-up, the removal Seamonkey left some .desktop files.
- Updated Moo with a small fix.
- Some polish.

002
- Opera 10.60 replaces Seamonkey and PuppyBrowser, it is installed under /root/.local for much easier future upgrades.
- Superb multimedia experience - upgraded multimedia packages like ffmpeg, libogg, libvorbis, libsndfile and xine-lib (the list is longer), so now KLP supports WebM, FLV and all common audio and video formats.
- Updated: Woof skeleton, now KLP auto-connects to wired networks and includes pman.
- Added: Rerwin's modem fix.
- Upgraded: gnumeric, Abiword, goffice, libgsf, Moo, network tray icon.

001
- Replaced: Aqualung with Pmusic, Pprocess with LXTask, the ancient absvolume with Retrovol, the old free memory and network applets with Quirky's.
- Added: Bones, woo-ff, Precord, pupRadio, the Moo remaster tool (it was used to build KLP).
- Upgraded: the CPU scaling wizard, the JWM configuration wizard, the network wizard, the classic network wizard, Pburn, pCD, Pfilesearch, Pfind, PMirrorget, Pschedule, You2pup, the SFS converter, Rox and JWM to their Quirky versions.
- The Woof skeleton is upgraded, so you get the new gtk-splash, clean unmount on shutdown, Barry's simple network setup wizard and various improvements.
- Flash 10.1.53.64 (the one with that serious vulnerability fixed) instead of the aging Flash 9 that YouTube and many sites no longer support.
- A slightly modified version of Lucid Puppy's first run wizard: I modified it to automatically detect the running Puppy name and version, removed some incorrect labels and changed the text.
- Lucid Puppy's artwork.

Download: here (includes a 005 to 006 delta!) Wink

Two notes:
1) Use the 4.3.1 devx as the devx, it's OK. I suggest you to compile stuff on a vanilla 4.3.1, because this one has many stuff updated and your packages may end up incompatible with 4.3.1.
2) Each version is in its own directory. You can update previous versions with the deltas I provided Smile

Cheers! Smile

Credit goes to DaveS for many useful PETs and suggestions, thank you so much! Very Happy

Thanks to KLP I'm officially in love with Opera ... and I'd like you to know that working on this puplet really improved my knowledge about Puppy and my l33t Linux haxx0r skillz Very Happy

I must admit I'm very very pleased with KLP 006, despite the pessimism and low self-esteem I've always had Smile

If there's anything wrong or bad with KLP, feel free to share it with me and everybody else, I'm a perfectionist and I want 007 (if there is a 007) to be PERFECT.
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PostPosted: Sat 03 Jul 2010, 19:17    Post_subject:  

Totally failed to get wired network going which work on almost all other puppies.

MP4 fails at times too which work in quirky 1.0

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 02:09    Post_subject:  

Wired networks work well as in 4.3.1 or even better, I have no idea what you did that caused that Smile

Regarding MP4, I think I'm going to try to recompile gxine.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 05:38    Post_subject:  

Heheh

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I have no idea what you did that caused that


I booted first into quirky1.0 and installed KLP frugally and then rebooted into KLP and it told me that there was no driver for my LAN. Sadly I have no idea what my lan card is. I have a poor memory but I have tried all four ways to activate it. SNS usually works best on the other puppies and them have no problem at all. Only at most three Puppies out of some 30 tested behave as KLP does.

So I don't think it is me that have done anything. Are you sure your KLP is as good as Quirky is? Friendly Smile.

using google I get

Chipset
GeForce 6150SE nForce 430
Motherboard

Manufacturer: ECSMotherboard Name: MCP61PM-HMHP/Compaq motherboard name: Nettle3-GL8E

Network (LAN)
Integrated 10/100 Base-T networking interface

What does Base-T refer to? Seems to be a integrated no name LAN.

So either it is GeForce or HP/Compaq driver I need but where are they?

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 08:03    Post_subject:  

First of all, I didn't mention Quirky, you did. I did not say KLP is a Quirky-based puplet ... Rolling Eyes

Regarding your network card, if it worked with 4.3.1, it must work with KLP. You have 3 different network wizards ... don't say it isn't enough.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 11:35    Post_subject:  

Tested to see if it is my fault it fail to work. Downloaded Luci-208 and that one gave me a connection right away asking if I wanted to save it.

Most likely I have NVidia Ge Force chips LAN ethernet card integrated.

What am I supposed to do to get it connect?


Luci-208 played the MP4 that your KLP failed to play.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 12:08    Post_subject:  

Luci auto-connects to wired networks, KLP doesn't.

Try the classic network wizard ... if it works on 4.3.1, should work here too. By the way: GeForce is a GPU Wink

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 14:06    Post_subject:  

Iguleder, did you upgrade Gnumeric? The latest fixes some important bugs that were still present in 4.3.1?
Does Opera work with CUPS? I failed to get that to work a while back. Maybe you have left PuppyBrowser in for CUPS?

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 14:29    Post_subject:  

Same gnumeric ... and yes, CUPS works with Opera. I also linked the email icon to Opera's mail thingy, it's a very very nice setup.

It has many bugs fixed, mainly Woof-related ones. Rox's focus bug and JWM's fullscreen madness are gone Very Happy

I'm still working on the multimedia overhaul, recompiled many things, but I'm looking for a way to remove all old stuff from 4.3.1, it's very complicated because they're split between the main SFS and the devx.

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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 14:34    Post_subject:  

I tested all three network ways to do it but none of them worked and I failed to find the nvidia or HP LAN driver to use.
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 14:44    Post_subject:  

Iguleder wrote:
Same gnumeric


To update gnumeric you need the .pet from here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=52510&sid=db9e8fc7ce1f6f5dd0f6cf54b6826869

and these two .pets also. Dont forget to remove old version Smile
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PostPosted: Sun 04 Jul 2010, 16:02    Post_subject:  

All boots up and sets up nicely on my system. Gnumeric update works but needs a symlink in usr/bin symlink gnumeric-1.10 as gnumeric.
From set up menu, set up mouse/keyboard offers option to set up touchpad, but fisynclient is not installed, so menu entry plays dead.
Tried to update Abiword to latest but it got a bit complex so will wait till 02/opera.
Nice to be messin with 4.3.1 again, its so snappy.

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul 2010, 03:02    Post_subject:  

I removed the old gnumeric, libgsf, goffice, faac, faad, ffmpeg, libao, libogg, libsamplerate, libsndfile, libvorbis, xine-lib and xvidcore.

I have compiled newer versions, and the new ffmpeg/xine-lib now support FLV, x264, WebM and all the fancy stuff.

I'm currently working on transplanting the new versions, compiled them all, they work just fine. I kept the old gxine because the new one uses 2 windows by default, I can supply it with default settings that disable that, but if the old one works, why change? Smile

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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul 2010, 03:07    Post_subject:  

I notice the filechooser dialogue still loads half off my screen. Do you need a pic to demonstrate?
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul 2010, 03:12    Post_subject:  

Ummm ... what file chooser? The GTK one?
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