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sickgut

Hi,

On the official puppy linux irc channel you have probably heared me yammering on about how I would like to get apt-get to work with puppy.
So finally I got around to it and I have a solution available at my website:

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/apt-get

I havent learned how to make .pets and things yet, but this is pretty straight forward. Just download every file in the directory on that site. Simply click on the 4x .deb packages and move the status, sources.list and available files to their respective dirs on your puppy 5 lupu installation and you are ready to rock.

There is a README.txt file on my site explaining the ins and outs of to set it up and how it works on a puppy system.

Yes, it works on frugal systems aswell as full HDD installs.

It took me a while to setup the status file propperly it is more than 4000 lines of code and I typed it all by hand as I do not know of any automation processes. The status file contains all the packages that a standard puppy 5 lupu install contains but i have not listed the dependencies for all the standard packages, this means that apt-get removing packages that come standard with puppy will not work propperly. However, if you apt-get install something then apt-get remove it, the uninstallation of that program will work just fine.

The status and available files get populated properly by apt as you install and remove stuff.

Apart from not being useful for uninstalling default puppy apps from a clean install, the only other limitation with this is some spam when it actually installs a program. Its error spam due to an empty available file but this is not critical and even tho it complains everything still works fine.
Also please remember that if you have installed programs some way other than using apt, the status file will not know about these programs, so if you install firefox from a .pet you cant uninstall from apt.

I have tested this with a few small progs like nano and things and its awesome.

I think this will be useful for people (like me) who run a cli only server and would like to have a text based package manager. Also apt is very good at dealing with dependencies and may be less annoying than dealing with the ubuntu repos from the ppm.

Also I know the source.list file kinda sucks and is lame. At present I have only listed a few there more as a proof of concept than anything else,
If someone has a awesome pimped out source.list file they wouldnt mind sharing then ill include that file on my site instead of this lame one.

Have fun
Sickgut

cinclus_cinclus · Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 56

I wonder if I could use the ubuntu-wine/ppa-repository with your apt/aptitude packages.

Wine's Ubuntu-packages are in a ppa-repository which would have an entry in Ubuntu's /etc/apt/sources.list:

sickgut

Hi cinclus_cinclus

Im sorry about that readme.txt not being accessable it must have been corrupted somehow. Ive posted a new file on that site " install.txt " and ive surfed over to it myself and im sure its working now.

In answer to your question about adding that repo, yes you can.
I think adding debian repos might work ok aswell.

incase there are more probs with the .txt file instructions then
to install all you have to do it download every file in that web directory
and click on the .deb files in turn. Then move or copy:

status file to: /var/lib/dpkg/
available file to: /var/lib/dpkg/
sources.list file to: /etc/apt/

remember to run apt-get update before you try getting anything.

let me know if you have any more probs or the .txt is in accessable or something. if there is any more probs ill simply make a .tar.gz file and post it here and list the instructions here. im only hosting from my site to save other people bandwidth etc.

Sickgut

sickgut

Hi as pointed out to me the README.txt file wasnt viewable by a browser, i have fixed the problem, the file is called install.txt and it works now. somehow the old file got corrupted or something i dunno.

Lobster · Posted: Sat 24 Jul 2010, 02:59 Post_subject:

http://www.thepussycatforest.info/apt-get

What is the most complex program you have apt-gotted (if that is termed correctly)
into Lucid?
Can apt get also download dependencies?
Not used it much Embarassed

Thanks for advice Cool

sickgut · Posted: Sat 24 Jul 2010, 04:16 Post_subject: you need devx installed

I have only just realised after setting up apt-get on a fresh lupu installation that you need devx installed. I may be able to get around this and just include a few files that apt-get needs from the devx to work.

devx is a large file and this just may put apt-get out of reach for ppl who want very minimal installs.

i have included the lupu_devx_500.sfs file on my site, i know its available everywhere else but if you are downloading the packages for apt-get and need the devx, its there in one easy place.

Also ill update my install.txt to include intructions for installing the devx.sfs file onto full hdd installs

sickgut

sickgut · Posted: Sat 24 Jul 2010, 04:48 Post_subject:

cinclus_cinclus · Joined: 22 Feb 2009 Posts: 56

I have devx installed but have some problems.
If I

Lobster · Posted: Sun 25 Jul 2010, 01:51 Post_subject:

many thanks for info Cool

sickgut · Posted: Sun 25 Jul 2010, 05:24 Post_subject: Dont worry about GPG

sickgut · Posted: Sun 25 Jul 2010, 05:33 Post_subject: dunno

sickgut · Posted: Sun 25 Jul 2010, 05:40 Post_subject: one other thing

There is also another issue i have failed to address about apt on this forum.

some of what apt seems to want to download may seem to be excessive in size. This is because unlike propper pets and things, the apt-get packages that it will try to install are not timmed down. The puppy package manager has the option to trim the fat, apt doesnt do this.

Iglueder who you all probably know from the irc chan or this forum has made a script that can create a new status file in a few seconds from a txt file that contains the list of packages. This is cool coz it means that when the next version of puppy is released all we have to do is grab hold of the package list, run the script, install the debs and boom, apt-get working on a new puppy release. Well i thought this was cool. Saves having to type the thing manually if you want apt-get on new puppy releases.

Sickgut

big_bass · Joined: 13 Aug 2007 Posts: 1736

Hey sickgut

stevesr0 · Joined: 24 Jun 2007 Posts: 169

Hi,

I want to use apt-get wiith lupu and saw this thread. Looks great. Thanks in advance.

I have two questions:

(1) I wanted to look at the status and available files out of curiosity and was surprised that it came up as a .BIN file not a .TXT.

I looked at these two files on another computer (running debian) and both are text files.

Are the files (status and available) actually text files?

(2) I am helping someone trying out Lupu, running a live-CD. Is there a reason apt-get can't be installed by your method?

Thanks again.

Steve

paulhomebus · Joined: 21 Jan 2010 Posts: 120 Location: New Zealand

Here is my method for apt-getting on Lupu...

1. Download sickgut's apt files & install them (by clicking on them.)
2. Download my apt-conf.tar.gz and untar to your /
http://www.4shared.com/file/CDVjEBtY/apt-conftar.html
3. Find these dependencies for Gnupg keyring from package.ubuntu.com
|-- gnupg-curl_1.4.10-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
|-- gnupg_1.4.10-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
|-- gpgv_1.4.10-2ubuntu1_i386.deb
|-- libbz2-1.0_1.0.5-4_i386.deb
|-- libcurl3-gnutls_7.19.7-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
|-- libldap-2.4-2_2.4.21-0ubuntu5.2_i386.deb
|-- libreadline6_6.1-1_i386.deb
`-- libusb-0.1-4_0.1.12-14_i386.deb
& install them by clicking on them.

The magic is done by a modified apt.conf file found under /etc/apt

(modify your sources.list file to use the US Ubuntu archives, my apt-conf.tar.gz includes the NZ archives, Opera's Beta PPA, wxwidgets PPA & Google Chrome's PPA) - Or you could just replace my sources.list with sickgut's.

4. run apt-get update to check if it all works.

Hope this helps...
BTW - if Iguleder will post his script for creating the status file, then I think we will be pretty close to having apt functional on Lupu.