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Lobster · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2005, 02:40 Post subject: Mtpaint .95 - no 'draw box' icons?

I was using mtPaint and noticed that the draw box icons were not available

I uploaded vetrsion 0.9.7 (from the DotpUps (I am using Puppy 1.0.2)

[insert expletive!]

Embarassed

Sorry about swearing I did not include - anyone else have this? - please help

Ian · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2005, 03:11 Post subject:

Have you used mPaint in any other version of Puppy and encountered the same problem.

BarryK · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2005, 07:33 Post subject:

I just tried mtPaint 0.95 in a post-1.0.3 Pup and it does have ellipse and box icons. You have to draw a rectangle outline first, then click on one of the icons.

...i haven't tried 0.97 yet.

Lobster · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2005, 08:43 Post subject:

GuestToo · Puppy Master Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 4078

often, a cd drive has a tiny hole somewhere ... mine has one just under the tray

you can carefully push a paper clip in the hole to release the tray ... you may need to repeat the process a few times (depending if you are rotating a gear or moving a lever) ... when the tray opens slightly, you can pull it the rest of the way out

if there is no hole, you can often pry the tray open with a small screwdriver or knife

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Q_20585916.html

Lobster · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2005, 14:44 Post subject:

Yes probably better than my plan for nitro glycerine . . .

It gently opened after a few prods (so to speak) and I was able to retrieve 1.0.3
which I am using.

Also mtpaint is exactly as Barry describes draw first and then click on icon - obvious really - NOT!

I did what is intuitive - click on an icon to draw

Where is that Mark Tyler? I wonder if he will mind changing his excellent program to accomodate my ignorance? Embarassed

Thanks everyone Smile

Flash · Posted: Mon 27 Jun 2005, 17:03 Post subject:

Lobster · Posted: Tue 28 Jun 2005, 19:08 Post subject: Mtpaint - all feedback is good

Well said Flash

Usability and ergonomics depends on 'generic mapping'
This is why Macs are easy to use. It works as you expect. I do not spend all my time in mtpaint. I use it when I need it. I could not work out how the icons worked but I know how they should work.

It is the same when new users come to linux. People work for months to progam and then some upstart (aka end user) asks why it does not work according to their individual vision. Pah! Programming would be so easy if only end users were reasonable. Smile

I am glad to say that Mark Tyler actually listens to us unreasonable ones . . . It is as far as I am concerned one of the great strengths of Linux. Go and give a program writer some feed back.

Also I feel everyone should have a go at programming. That will make you understand the talent, work and expertise required.

Flash · Posted: Wed 29 Jun 2005, 00:38 Post subject:

True, Macs are famously easy to use. My point, which I see I left to the reader's imagination, is that they are easy to use because Apple has the resources to invite "focus groups" of newbies to use the computer while developers watch and take notes, with the aim of sussing out the most 'intuitive' design. A lone GUI programmer, on the other hand, initially has only his own presumptions of how the thing ought to work; what each button should do. That's where forums like this one come in. Done right, forums are an invaluable interface between developers and users. I'm really impressed that Barry is so active in the forum. He's obviously looking for the kind of feedback I'm talking about, and that can only be good for his Puppy.