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gtk1.2 puppy anyone?
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Mon 23 Aug 2010, 12:11    Post_subject:  gtk1.2 puppy anyone?
Sub_title: for really low resource computers
 

DEFAULTS:
Browser - Seamonkey-1.1.19-gtk1
HTMLviewer - gtk(1)embedmoz or dillo-0.8.6
Flash- flash7 + hack to mask as v10.1 (later #s require a gtk2 browser)
Email - Seamonkey-1.1.19-gtk1 or sylpheed
TextEditor - MinimumProfit(gtk1)
Chat - Meebo inside defaultbrowser
WordProcessor - abiword-1.0.7
Spreadsheet - gnumeric-1.x.x?
Window manager - jwm-492pe1
Desktop - amigo's patched gtk1 rox - optional
TaskManager - gPS (replaces top and pprocess)
Terminal- rxvt
ImageEditor: mtpaint or xpaint (optionally gimp-1.2.x?)
PdfViewer: ghostview
ImageViewer: mtpaint danpei or xdialog script
DiagramEditor: XFig or sodipodi?
Font selector: GTK Font Selector
Color picker: XColors
Color selector: X Color Selector
Calculator: XCalc
Cut buffer manager: Xcb
Clipboard viewer: XClipboard
Clock: XClock
MP3 tag editor: gMP3Info
CD ripper: RipperX
AudioPlayer: XMMS
VideoPlayer: mplayer-gtk1 (+ mozilla plugin maybe?)
Games: Billiards: GTKPool Cards: XPat2 ... xbill
FileFind: gtkfind
file browser: FSV

other
Pup'nGo has some utilities for getting/installing pets
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51478
Amigo's site
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/amigolinux/download/
Xdialog scripts (xdialog will compile against gtk1)
TrayApps do mostly compile against gtk1 - optional (ex. blinky...)

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amigo

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Aug 2010, 15:34    Post_subject:  

Nice starting list -keep looking around my site if you need/want more choices.
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Yogi

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug 2010, 04:41    Post_subject:  

technosaurus,

As I prefer the older gtk 1.2 series Puppy Linux, I like your idea. What version would it be based on?

Might as well throw my 2 cents in:

Dillo as secondary browser
mtpaint
tkconvert
pfind (easier than gtkfind)
GQview picture viewer
MToolsFM (as well as ROX)
Htop process viewer
Games: Xgalaga, gtktetcolor, bubbles, gtkboard, ace, rubix, spider
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Sage

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug 2010, 06:01    Post_subject:  

There would need to be two very basic requirements:

Return to small .iso - MeanPup is your ideal model

Get rid of that appalling browser. Dillo, not as a secondary choice, and Netsurf may be just too small but I've seen others recently that might do the job - search.
Claws is your default email client.

Most folks miss out a .pdf reader. This is probably a mistake; better to cut elsewhere. It must be possible to read eg datasheets, public body info sites, legal docs, etc.
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Yogi

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PostPosted: Tue 24 Aug 2010, 15:13    Post_subject:  

Sage,

I hope you're not refering to Dillo as an "appalling browser". If so, I must take exception. I use it almost exclusively to surf because it is so fast! It's lightweight and easy to use and was included in Mean Puppy as a secondary browser. I accept its limitations as designed:

"Dillo is a minimalistic web browser particularly intended for older or slower computers and embedded systems. It supports only plain HTML/XHTML and images over HTTP; scripting is ignored entirely.[3] Dillo is available for Linux, BSD, Solaris and Mac OS X. Due to its small size, it is the browser of choice in several space-conscious Linux distributions. Released under the GNU General Public License, Dillo is free software.[4]"

"Chilean software engineer Jorge Arellano Cid conceived of the Dillo project in late 1999,[5] publishing the first version of Dillo in December of that year.[6] His primary goal in creating Dillo was to democratize access to information. Arellano Cid believed that no one should have to buy a new computer or pay for broadband in order to enjoy the World Wide Web.[7] To this end, he designed Dillo to be small, fast, and efficient, capable of performing well even on an Intel 486 processor with a dial-up Internet connection. Dillo's bug meter reports errors Dillo encountered in the web page being viewed."

"A developer tool called the "bug meter" is provided in the lower-right corner. When clicked, it displays information about validation problems, such as unclosed tags, that Dillo found in the web page.[21] Unlike most browsers, Dillo does not have a quirks mode to improve compatibility with web pages that use invalid HTML. Instead, Dillo processes all web pages according to the published web standards.[22]"

"In 2003, two Linux enthusiasts successfully ran Dillo on an Intel 486 processor and demonstrated that even with such meager hardware, Dillo could render http://news.bbc.co.uk/ in 10-15 seconds.[23] Furthermore, Dillo can run on a variety of software platforms, including Linux, BSD, Solaris, Mac OS X, and some handheld devices.[24] However, Dillo's developers have made little effort to make the browser work on Microsoft Windows. Arellano Cid stated that Windows goes against Dillo's goal of democratization by artificially increasing hardware requirements and software costs."

I've tried Netsurf, HV3, gtkmoz and even the newer Dillo2. Dillo-0.8.6 is great!

Thank you for listening.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 03:32    Post_subject:  

Wrong end of the stick, old boy!
Dillo is an indispensable tool. Always has been.
Obviously unaware of my long running campaign against the world's worst browser!
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Yogi

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 06:03    Post_subject:  

Sage,

Pardonez-moi. I take it you don't care for Seamonkey? What major browser would you like to see for really low resource computers?

Yogi
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Sage

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 06:43    Post_subject:  

I saw mention of a couple of recommended contenders very recently. Hadn't heard of them before. Can't remember where - hence my 'search'!
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harii4


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PostPosted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 09:19    Post_subject:  

i always thought netsurf was gtk2.
dillo is ok how abount links2 as backup.
now i need to look for that old goblinx gtk1.2 theme.
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harii4


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PostPosted: Fri 27 Aug 2010, 14:20    Post_subject:  

is there an list of gtk1.2 puplets?
anyone making an "Ubuntu GTK1.2 Remix" puplet. Smile
i would like to see an dpup GTK1.2 Remix for an dsl feel.
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Sage

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Aug 2010, 03:16    Post_subject:  

Although designed for an entirely different reason, I suspect Mozilla's Fennec, now in alpha, might perfectly match requirements for compact Linux distros? Downside is that it might need considerable porting, processing, compressing and compiling by the gurus around here?
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep 2010, 14:22    Post_subject:  

technosaurus,

can you give links to your gtk1.2 pets in this thread. Very Happy

note: roxgtk1-2.2.pet has the ''running as user 'root' '' as well.
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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep 2010, 15:57    Post_subject:  

@Sage: Fennec is really not any better than just using gtkmozembed or seamonkey-1.1.19 browser only built on gtk1 unless you are using a mobile device with a small screen.

@Harii4: I'll need to find that link for gtk1 libs in the pupngo thread, but if I recall correctly, I removed the code to automatically display running as root, but left the ability to display the user if passed the parameter for it. What command are you using to start rox?

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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep 2010, 20:59    Post_subject:  

thank you for the help

i used ''rox''
/usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/AppRun
/usr/local/apps/ROX-Filer/Linux-ix86/ROX-Filer


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zenfunk

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PostPosted: Fri 24 Sep 2010, 18:34    Post_subject:  

GTK 1.2 Puppy sounds a lot like my derivate named pulp.

Could you elaborate a bit on the patched GTK 1.2 rox?
Where can I find it?
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