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pup-431.sfs not found
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looseSCREWorTWO

Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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Location: Australia, 1999 Toshiba laptop, 512mb RAM, no HDD, 431 Retro & 421 Retro

PostPosted: Mon 22 Mar 2010, 23:58    Post subject:  

You could try these Distros:
Puppy 4.2.1
Puppy 4.2.1 Retro
Puppy 4.0.0

As always after downloading a Puppy, run the md5sum program against each to make sure you have a clean download.

On older PCs I have found that one of the above Distros will work in 99 percent of cases.
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Punky

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 16:04    Post subject:  

Hello, I'm new in this forum and i need your help, because i'm getting crazy with an issue.... Crying or Very sad

I tried to use Puppy 5.01 on an embedded pc with a ECM-3711 Mobo and it works fine. I booted it from a USB pen (1GB) and it's all ok, so I decided to make an installation to an external USB HD (Mats. 40 GB). I prepared the disk:

part. 1) 3 GB ext2, boot flag for puppy
part. 2) 36 GB ext2, for personal data
part. 3) 500 MB swap (i have 256 MB ram)

I used the universal installer to install puppy 5.01 on the disk, but every time i reboot i got this error:

Loading drivers needed to access disk drives....DONE

Searching
for Puppy files in computer disk drives... lupu-501.sfs not found. Drop ping out to initial-ramdisk console...
/bin/sh: can't access tty: job control turns off.
#_


but actually it works from the pen drive!
So it's not the BIOS. The file is obviously there and it's written correcly (no uppecase or other). I even tried to rename it to lupu_501.sfs, but it doesn't work.
I tried different mbr during installation, and I even tried to change the external disk, but i can only get puppy to work from the usb pen. Same issue with Lupu 510.

I tried to search for any other advice here in the forum, but i'm out of ideas.

Please, do you have suggestions? I'm going crazyyyyyyyyyyy Mad
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rcrsn51


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Location: Stratford, Ontario

PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 16:10    Post subject:  

Is the USB drive bootable with GRUB? If so, please post the menu.lst file from the folder /boot/grub.

Or is it bootable with syslinux? If so, post the syslinux.cfg file.
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Punky

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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 17:16    Post subject:  

I don't have the files you mentioned in my hard drive.
Here is the list of all the files i have in the primary partition:

extlinux.conf
extlinux.sys
initrd.gz
lupu-501.sfs
vmlinuz

I didn't install grub. I thought that the installer would actually install the files i needed for the boot, in fact the USB pen has the same files and it works Sad

Do you think that a grub (or syslinux) installation will fix my issue? How can i do that?
Sorry but i'm a newby with linux.

Thanks in advance.
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Thu 02 Sep 2010, 17:29    Post subject:  

Please post your extlinux.conf file.
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Punky

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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 05:19    Post subject:  

Here is the file. Only one line:

default vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz pmedia=usbhd no smp


Meanwhile i tried different methods for installation and this is the result:

1) if i use the "BootFlash USB installer" both for the USB pen and for the disk the system works.
But I don't like this solutions, because the installer deletes all the partition in the disk and it forces only one FAT partition (and i really need a swap), and then the installation is frugal (and i prefer a true installation)

2) if I use the Universal Installer it's impossible for me to boot the system both on the USB drive and the USB pen. I tried different MBRs but no change.
The universal installer doesn't ask if i wish to install grub.

Thanks for your help
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rcrsn51


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PostPosted: Fri 03 Sep 2010, 09:48    Post subject:  

Punky wrote:
I tried different MBRs but no change.

Because your machine did start to boot, your current MBR is fine. Changing it will have no effect on getting Puppy to start.

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and then the installation is frugal (and i prefer a true installation)

Your current ext install IS frugal. That's the only install method that Puppy uses on a USB device. Read here for more info.

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if i use the "BootFlash USB installer" both for the USB pen and for the disk the system works.


This is strange. The only different between Bootflash and the Universal Installer is that the first uses the syslinux bootloader with a FAT partition and the second uses extlinux on your ext2 partition.

As a test, I partitioned a USB hard drive with ext2 like yours and installed Luci-219 using the Universal Installer. It worked fine. I don't know why your setup will not work.

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But I don't like this solutions, because the installer deletes all the partition in the disk and it forces only one FAT partition (and i really need a swap)


Here is a solution. Once you have the drive working with Bootflash, run Gparted. Shrink your current FAT partition and add the other partitions you need.
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looseSCREWorTWO

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Location: Australia, 1999 Toshiba laptop, 512mb RAM, no HDD, 431 Retro & 421 Retro

PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 07:31    Post subject:  

Here is another way of putting Puppy 501 on a USB Stick.
http://www.pendrivelinux.com/put-lucid-puppy-on-usb-flash-drive-from-windows/

Then afterwards run Puppy from CD (using the puppy pfix=ram boot parameter) and use Gparted to shrink the partition on the USB Stick and add other partitions as you like.

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Punky

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PostPosted: Sat 04 Sep 2010, 15:42    Post subject:  

Thanks rcrsn51 and looseSCREWorTWO for the replies.
After many issues (and beers) i decided to buy a 4GB CF card, so now i installed puppy there and it boots ok. The external HD will serve for data (which i want to share with my windows systems) and swap.

It will be my low-power fanless system for file sharing and file server Cool
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looseSCREWorTWO

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 06:44    Post subject:  

I've just ordered a 6gb CF MicroDrive on eBay. Plus an adaptor so the MicroDrive can function as an internal HDD. I've had a USB Stick acting as a "pretend" HDD, but decided to lash out $20 on the above. I'm planning on having Puppy 431 Retro and Windows 2000 as a dual-boot. It's all good fun.
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rsksmiles

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PostPosted: Wed 11 May 2011, 14:30    Post subject: Is this the solution ??  

Hello I am installing puppy 431 on a fujitsu siemens ltc 500.

I have puppy 431 running from the internal ide hdd and I have used the utilities to create a bootable usb flash drive. I have then plugged in the cf card into and ide adapter and replaced the hdd with the cf.

On rebooting I had exactly the same problem. puppy had set the pmedia to be usbflash, I set it to be idehd and everything works fine.
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Béèm


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PostPosted: Wed 11 May 2011, 14:58    Post subject: Re: Is this the solution ??  

rsksmiles wrote:
Hello I am installing puppy 431 on a fujitsu siemens ltc 500.

I have puppy 431 running from the internal ide hdd and I have used the utilities to create a bootable usb flash drive. I have then plugged in the cf card into and ide adapter and replaced the hdd with the cf.

On rebooting I had exactly the same problem. puppy had set the pmedia to be usbflash, I set it to be idehd and everything works fine.
It is a bad idea:
- to use an old thread
- to use a thread of which the subject doesn't reflect your issue.

Open a new thread.

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PostPosted: Thu 17 Jan 2013, 04:46    Post subject:  same symptoms and it was the Windows CD issue for me
Subject description: hoping to save some newbs time searching for answers...
 

Hi, I am replying to this thread because it was one of the top hits when I was googling for an answer to this same problem I was having (the cant find sfs file message) and another linux forum had linked to this thread too for their users experiencing similar issues... ao I am hoping to save someone else a lot of digging.

My symptoms were the same... and it was first time burning an ISO image for linux on a non-linux system for me that was source of problem. My windows 7-64 system is where I grabbed the ISO for a 5.2 Wary Puppy install that I wanted to do on an old Pentium III laptop I had kicking around. I noticed that when using a good ISO viewer on the source ISO (which I checked with MD5 etc to ensure it was good) that the filenames were properly mixed case and full length (ie puppy_wary_5.2.sfs) but when I would burn the ISO to CD it would change to PUPPY_WA.SFS
(ISO 9660 standard that converts to 7.3 for backwards windows compatibility I assume)

I tried a bunch of different ISO burners I had (from freeware like IMGBURN to a licensed Nero) and could not figure out how to get the "take existing ISO and create a CD with long filenames" thing to work. I could take and extract the ISO to a directory and then burn the CD from a build of that directory (and some allowed me to specify UDF to store long filenames when doing a build... but not a burn from ISO) and I figured I could get that to work... but it bugged me that I couldn't take the source ISO file and simply tell windows to make me a CD without it messing up the filenames.

I then tried to just use the CD with the "pupsfs=" parm to over-ride the sfs to use (keying in the path and capitols) it would get farther and try to load but bomb on a kernal exception... and after a good 4 hours and at least 10 CD's now as coasters I gave up trying.

I switched to plan B and did the following.
1 - extract the puppy_wary_5.2.sfs file to disk (which I could do with the ISO viewer and even some of the ISO burners I had as part of their other features... and have it keep the long filename)
2- I then copied that properly named sfs file to a USB drive.
3 - I plugged this USB into the laptop I want Puppy to work with and used the same CD that was always failing before
4 - it actually booted.... because boot found a properly named sfs now one of the volumes it could read

I didnt even need to turn off ACPI or mess with any extra parms at the boot... just let it do its thing with defaults.

The old Sony PCG-505 laptop is up and running again and working great on Puppy now. I used the same USB stick to store my session info the first time and am happy with the results... (but still po'd at Windows not having the integrity to natively preserve the long filenames and my own inability to find a solution that would allow me to make it work) Confused
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