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dawg

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PostPosted: Fri 13 Aug 2010, 14:58    Post subject:  

8-bit wrote:
my IO seems to have slowed up greatly upon initial access to drives from the desktop.
Rox is taking a lot longer to come up.
After it is up, it works fine.
But if I exit ROX and then start ROX again, the lag reappears.
I might try reverting to a saved pupsave file to see if the problem persists.
Other frugal installs of Puppy do not seem to have that lag when starting ROX and I did not run the programs to check for a rootkit on them.
EDIT:
After posting this, no more message and IO improved with ROX.

I've some similar "paranoia" (or let's rather call it reasonable suspiciousness) for you guys.
I've just discovered this:
When a network interface is setup but there's no internet connection, the startup of ROX and Firefox lag (I've all update checks in FF unselected). This seems to also be the case in older pups (431).
I've checked my router's log (LinkSys BEFSR41) and it isn't displaying anything of interest, but clearly there is something going on here.
Exactly why & what would that be, I wonder??
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Aug 2010, 09:46    Post subject:  



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Exactly why & what would that be, I wonder??


I don't know Embarassed
But I can make up all kinds of stories . . . Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sat 14 Aug 2010, 14:23    Post subject:  

Very Happy

Well, now that I've taken the time to test it more properly, this behaviour only seems present when one particular 510 savefile is loaded and also in a 431 full install of mine, so no reason for a global panic just yet Smile
Anyhow, this must be a rather new phenomenon, since with my somewhat common practice of disconnecting network cables, I think I would've noticed something sooner. So I'm guessing I must've caught something very recently, possibly here on the forum, only what that would be and how, I've yet to find out. Any ideas are welcome...
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PostPosted: Mon 16 Aug 2010, 13:14    Post subject:  

False alarm; nothing "caught" anywhere (which is nice).
Apparently the problem was my custom /etc/hosts file not defining the same hostname for 127.0.0.1 as in /etc/hostname Smile
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PostPosted: Wed 18 Aug 2010, 03:11    Post subject:  

dawg wrote:
False alarm; nothing "caught"


Oh well we live in hope/dismay [choose preference] Smile

Meanwhile I have found a potential tin hat field day

A Linux BSOD - oh I can hear the tin foil rustling as we speak . . . Wink

http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=443119#443119

In fact this is total - A Black Screen Of Death
Total lock up - Nada, rien, neti neti,

My theories:

- Interfence from the paradox realm - 'The Chronology Protection Agency'
- An AI JHVW created by the future Catholic Church and hacking into the past, to stop me worshiping elephants (now in day 22 of my Ganesh practice)
- Some sort of software bug [surely it can't be that?]

Other conspiracies in an email to the usual encrypted address . . .

Prefer Paranoia?
Puppy Provides!

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PostPosted: Mon 23 Aug 2010, 06:46    Post subject:  

Sadly my last cause for alarm bells,
was only reported by one other person
and has been cured (for me) by using the latest
Puppy Luci
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/Puppy52

Yet I like to be a Puppy Paranoia Pioneer . . .
Here is how a pdf file can take over your root access
bypass your bloated distro security and make you
as vulnerable as a new born Puppy Wink

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Critical-Vulnerability-Silently-Patched-in-Linux-Kernel-152678.shtml

I suppose you could just use Puppy
or update/patch your kernel
but what would you worry about?
Where would you use your tin foil hat origami skills?

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PostPosted: Wed 25 Aug 2010, 05:21    Post subject:  

This morning I was trying to reply to this love lorn damsel
in gmail
Quote:
Hi everyone...they say suffering is optional, and according to Buddhism as to how i understand it the root cause of evil/suffering is delusion and craving....and its like to be attached is dangerous....my problem is that im very very frustrated ive been seriously frustrated like my problem is taking away all the energy i have and literally driving me crazy...i can no longer control my mind since i fell in love with someone so bad...to the point where i cant sleep, i cant eat i cant function anymore...i just cant find my way back, i lost myself....can anyone say something or give me words of wisdom about this....i feel like i know what my problem is and i also know the solution but i just cant really heal myself, what should i do?i love him and i dont want to lose him but i also dont want to lose my self....-thank you friends

Now this activated a rather interesting anomaly . . .
I was sending (try sending to yourself)
the above text in plain text format from gmail as a quote and part of my reply
and a message kept coming up saying I was including an attachment
-oh I was not
[Tin foils to red alert]

the problem was gmail was picking up on
Code:
attached is
in the text
and by adding a space - like so
Code:
attached  is

I was able to send this poor woman a cure with no 'ghost attachment'
(suffice to say it involved elephants and my email address)

Be vigilant
one day they may get us . . .

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Aug 2010, 10:00    Post subject:  

Here is a nice white van to look out for
as it sends out low emissions of radiation
to make sure you are not a Linux user
or whatever they are searching for these days:

http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/08/24/full-body-scan-technology-deployed-in-street-roving-vans/

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PostPosted: Sat 28 Aug 2010, 16:52    Post subject:  

I am still running Puppy 4.31.

Should I shoot myself in the head or will cyanide suffice?

I am worried that Communist regimes might use my brain to browse for information concerning the national safety, Coca Cola and the latest porn, so the full destruction is of utter importance.
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PostPosted: Sun 29 Aug 2010, 00:27    Post subject:  

LinuxFan2010 wrote:
... Should I shoot myself in the head or will cyanide suffice? ...

If you've got such a paths of moving forward, so i would suggest such a things: water gun for kids or the "M&M's" pill from the pack on which you have written "cyanidenot".

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PostPosted: Tue 31 Aug 2010, 16:43    Post subject:  

The system became kind of unresponsive (though that's probably just the router or some of the websites being unresponsive) and I lost 2M over the last two days, even though I did not save (not directly, at least) anything to the user file.

Those 2M are probably just temporaries or some configs (had to re-configure the Wifi), right?
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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 09:31    Post subject:  

Every object - including you trackable
http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=hdwp1889da

They know where you are . . .
http://freeworld.thc.org/home.php

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 14:15    Post subject:  

Thanks Lobster. A very intriguing video. However, it's more tantalizing than informative.

For instance, what is the transmission range and service life of these RFID transmitters? Are they linked to the credit card of the purchaser? Is there any consumer receiver that would allow ordinary mortals to detect and locate such devices in their vicinity?

Maybe English now needs a word for overly wish ful spies.

One concern I have is over the biological effect all of these transmissions might have on our bodies and those of smaller living organisms in their vicinity. Has there been any published research into this possible health hazard?

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 14:42    Post subject: Failed Seamonkey page saves
Subject description: When trying to view saves from some sites offsite, Seamonkey connects instead to Google Stats
 

I like to save important messages and bulletins, especially from my cell provider, banks, etc..

I use Puppy and Seamonkey 2.0 routinely for my web browsing, and so save such pages with the browser.

A while back, when trying to view my online account balance page at Virgin Mobile while offline, I noticed that the page would not load. Instead Seamonkey tried to go online to a site called (going by memory here, as I can't test it while online) "Google statistics" or something similar. In any case, I couldn't view the "saved" page offline.

I find this very disturbing, as Virgin often makes serious mistakes in its billing, and having a record of the account page before the changes is essential to correcting them.

More recently, I've discovered that saving certain pages on Facebook is impossible (with Opera as well as Seamonkey), and there is no warning.

For instance, a new group was started recently called : Help Find the Girl....

http://www.facebook.com/otropogo#!/pages/Help-Find-the-Girl-who-throws-puppies-in-a-river/146692042031647?ref=ts

At last count yesterday, 60,000 people "liked" the group (a prerquisite to posting on it).

I myself started a discussion topic because comments were coming in so rapidly, that any proper discussion was impossible on the group's Wall page - posts were scrolling off the page within two or three hours, before any discussion could get underway.

My topic "What's the humane way of drowning puppies", at last count had garnered 85 posts (including several of my own), which took up three pages.

Since I don't like to have my posts taken out of context, or misquoted, I routinely save such topics to hard drive, and did so with Seamonkey, without encountering any problem warnings. However, when viewing the saves offline, it turned out that my three saved pages were all the same. Only the first page of the discussion was saved, although I used the "save page function" on each of the three pages separately.

Just now, I went back to get the URL for this post, and found that all of Wall posts, and all of the discussion topic and their posts, have been removed! And I have no proof of who said what in two thirds of the discussion in which I participated.

Think this is paranoid? I disagree. It is, BTW, one of the chief reason for my use of a pseudonym online - in most forums, there is simply no way, no matter how hard you work at it, to ensure the integrity of the material attributed to you. As some of you know, this has been a problem here also. But at least here one can know or learn who has done the dirty. On Facebook, the censorship and manipulation of text is all done anonymously, and there little if any hope of getting to the bottom of it, much less correcting it.

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PostPosted: Sun 05 Sep 2010, 17:05    Post subject: Google Mail saves unreadable too
Subject description: can't access saved Google messages with Seamonkey or Opera
 

Did a bit more experimenting, with html saves made by Seamonkey, one from the virgin mobile website, another from gmail.

Neither one is readable. The gmail message is one from VM to me confirming that they had messed up my credits and were going to fix it immediately (they messed that up to, as it turned out).

When I try to read this message (offline OR on!) Seamonkey goes into an endless loop apparently trying to log onto my gmail account. Being logged in already doesn't even help. The html file, which is some 56K in size, according to ROX, can't be displayed. All I can do is close Seamonkey.

The page from the vm site, of similar size, simply gives a "file not found" message. Opera gives slightly different responses, but no display either.

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