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JustGreg

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jun 2010, 21:44    Post_subject:  

Aitch,

I am using a Acer Aspire Revo model R1600. It does work nice. Puppy gives it usual excellent performance. One problem with the Ion chipset is to use the normal 16 by 9 video resolution of most newer LCD devices, one has to have the official Nvidia driver. The nv driver of Puppy sometimes works. Official Nvidia driver is not open source. It also can be very large and may not support older hardware. One may need to have different versions of the Nvidia driver for all the hardware used by the Puppy systems. There is an open source driver called nouveau that may do the same. I do not have much experience with it.

I also have been look at ARM processor devices. I found a nice one, the Archos 7 Internet Media Tablet. It sells for about 200 US dollars and runs the Android 1.5 operating system. It has a 7 inch diagonal screen, 800 by 480 I think. The specifications for the Archos 7 look very much like the SmartQ mentioned by Raffy. It can use a micro SD card. It would be nice if it is possible to boot from the micro SD card, especially if it uses the Grub or Grub4Dos boot loader. It might be possible to build a version of Puppy for it.

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PostPosted: Sun 27 Jun 2010, 22:28    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
They cost a lot.
Yes, that's what you pay for when you're squeezing the form factor of eeepc into a phone. Also, these devices stay on for *days* instead of the typical 2-3hours of ARM netbooks discussed in this thread. I myself have been waiting for low-cost, long-endurance ARM netbooks but that doesn't seem to happen any soon (low-cost, yes, but battery life still at 2-3 hours - which *sucks*, because it kind of why I'm looking at ARM at the first place).

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Is the Nokia N900 really better than Samsung Galaxy 9000 or what exact name it has. That one have Android 2.1 if I remember. But cost less?
Samsung i9000 galaxy is is more expensive here than the N900 (perhaps because it's 3 months newer). The difference is - with N900 you get GNU/Linux, with Samsung you get Android/Linux Very Happy

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Android has many more apps? Bigger community that could help out?
Android's apps store is bigger than Ovi store. But in terms of community, they are equally big, I think. N900 is the latest of a long line of Nokia tablets (N770, N800, N810) which have been there for years. And it's GNU/Linux - you can take most of the binaries compiled for Debian ARM and it'll work.

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Okay I have enough money to buy both but what a waist of money.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jun 2010, 07:06    Post_subject:  

I'm such a poor reader of texts.

I thought Nokia N900 was Maemo or maybe meego updated?

Is it really Gnu linux? But using ARM. I am so lazy should check that out.
I can buy one just some 500 meters from where I live. Phonehouse.
They have it on demand only so no hands on before one buy but in the Stockholm City most likely they have one somewhere to check out.

What I would like is to have something as small as N900 but that allows you to connect a standard keyboard and standard screen and mouse and audio amp and use it as a desktop sort of as a back up to the big desktop. I hate the sound of the fans.

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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jun 2010, 07:59    Post_subject:  

nooby wrote:
I thought Nokia N900 was Maemo or maybe meego updated?
Correct, N900 is based on Maemo. Maemo is a derivative of Debian.

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Is it really Gnu linux?
Yes, definitely.

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What I would like is to have something as small as N900 but that allows you to connect a standard keyboard and standard screen and mouse and audio amp and use it as a desktop sort of as a back up to the big desktop. I hate the sound of the fans.
N900 has TV out - so you can connect it to your TV, but not to your computer screen (no VGA output). You can probably use external bluetooth keyboard and mouse although that seems to be a work in progress - see here http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles. For audio-amp, the sound output is via 3.5mm jack which is standard jack, so you can probably to it. Check http://maemo.org/ or perhaps ask a few questions before you decide to buy.
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PostPosted: Mon 28 Jun 2010, 08:33    Post_subject:  

A bad thing that I found on their support site.

They have an issue with the mini usb port. I mechanically gets detached and even if it doesn't it fail to work for some users. This has gone on since Jan 2010 and still in May it was not solved so I guess all the Nokia N900 in stock at Phonehouse in Sweden have the batch with that problem.

Okay about being based on Debian. That is promising.

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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jul 2010, 10:08    Post_subject:  

Got my Eken M001 7" tablet in the mail $99, delivered. Checking it out now.

I need to add a usb keyboard and mouse and root the device if I want to add Debian, since it doesn't initially support a touch screen. Sort of a peripheral bootstrap process.

The USB connection is via a standard iPhone/Ipod to USB cable. Unfortunately the USB termination is a slave type (intended for data upload, not peripherals), and the cable needs to be modified (pin connections altered, and a female USB connector added) to connect to a hub and peripheral devices.

Not a big deal, will probably get a spare Iphone cable at walmart today, and make up a special usb cable. Then hack root.
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PostPosted: Thu 01 Jul 2010, 11:09    Post_subject:  

lucky getting it to work then using Debian.
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PostPosted: Mon 05 Jul 2010, 23:37    Post_subject:  

ok, I. made the cable up and have a functioning 4 port USB hub, mouse and keyboard. Also got an 80 gig
portable hard drive to work. Writing from it now in Opera mini 5 beta for Android

On to Debian.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul 2010, 02:24    Post_subject:  

Wow, I love such. Total silent computing. Okay the HDD can vibrate and clutter a bit.
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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul 2010, 08:32    Post_subject:  

My friend bought this (okay not Eken, but it's another generic brand with exactly the same features - same CPU, same amount of RAM, same amount of NAND flash memory), and today I toyed with it briefly.

What follows isn't any kind of review because I hardly use the device long enough to judge it - it's more of a "first impression" kind of thing.

The devicekinda works, but Android 1.6 is rather old (it shows) and in some cases, a bit incomplete. Putting it to use as a tablet, it is kinda slow - the UI is sluggish, takes a noticeable few seconds when clicking some functions, the kinetic scrolling is - well - slow. The display is nice, though, and for standard browsing / webmail / ebook reading, it's a worthwhile device. If you can get used to the sluggish UI, you will be happy with this.

The good point is - you won't even dream for this kind of device at this kind of price point two years ago. Whether you like it or not, Android (and also Linux) has made all these possible, and we're all better because of it.

vtpup, loves to hear your experience about this (not from the mod point of view, but from usability / performance point of view).

cheers!

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PostPosted: Tue 06 Jul 2010, 16:55    Post_subject:  

JamesBond I agree with your review out of the box.

But I also changed the firmware to Ecotox 1.1.1 which is a hacked version available on slatedroid.com, and it is much more responsive, and much smaller memory usage, faster, etc.

I really like using the M001 (yes mine is not branded Eken, also) with the free version of Aldiko (downlaod from Softpedia), which makes it a really good epub book reader. Pulled in a few Project Gutenberg books, and they really read great in this software. I also got close to 5 hours reading from the battery when I turned off wifi (set the Eken to "airplane mode") Otherwise, with wifi on, it's about 2.5 hours.

I don't like the resistive touch screen much, but I accept that capacitative would probably double the price of the unit, and then I wouldn't have bought it.

The whole attraction is the low price for quite a bit of usability, and the fact that we can hack/tweak it to make it better. It's far from the ultimate, but it sure is the ultimate for under $100 delivered.

Big problem with Debian so far is that nobody has been able to get touch screen to work with it. This is largely due to the failure to release source code by Eken/via/wondermedia, even though they are using the Linux kernel (modified) and GPLed code to drive things. Starting to irritate the hackers.

Here's a great blog on getting Debian up, some of the log files, and the GPL foolishness:

http://projectgus.com/2010/07/debian-on-the-eken-m001/
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PostPosted: Wed 08 Sep 2010, 19:58    Post_subject: Arm Via 8505 Notepad
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Help:

CVS Pharmacy, this week in the U.S., has a Chinese made Branded as Sylvania notepad for $99.99. It seems the same specs as most... tablets and small 7" notepad. Via 8505 processor, 128 meg memory, 2G internal SD card, and SD slot. three USB ports, Rj-45 connector. This Notepad is running Windows CE 6.0. Surprisingly clear screen.. even for me with tri focal lenses.

Real question.... PUPPY????? I have spend several days searching the net and blogs.. I see Debian has been ported... I not real command savvy. Have I missed something? Is there interest in a PUPPY version made to run on this notepad?

With this box hitting available in a Pharmacy... my bet is we will see a lot more on the market.
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Sep 2010, 02:51    Post_subject: Re: Arm Via 8505 Notepad
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Minnesota wrote:
Help:

CVS Pharmacy, this week in the U.S., has a Chinese made Branded as Sylvania notepad for $99.99. It seems the same specs as most... tablets and small 7" notepad. Via 8505 processor, 128 meg memory, 2G internal SD card, and SD slot. three USB ports, Rj-45 connector. This Notepad is running Windows CE 6.0. Surprisingly clear screen.. even for me with tri focal lenses.

Real question.... PUPPY????? I have spend several days searching the net and blogs.. I see Debian has been ported... I not real command savvy. Have I missed something? Is there interest in a PUPPY version made to run on this notepad?

With this box hitting available in a Pharmacy... my bet is we will see a lot more on the market.

I just registered to ask about the $99 CVS netbook & Puppy. If Puppy will work on this. Can flash be installed so this will play Hulu?

Specs:
Processor- Via 8505 (300Mhz?)
Display- 7" High Resolution
TFT(800 X 480 pixels)
Internal Memory- 128MB
Internal Storage- 2GB Nand-flash
Connectivity- Wifi 802.11 b/g
Connect- 3USB Ports USB 2.0 x 1 (support external memory)
- USB 1.1 x 2 (support keyboard & mouse only)
SD card slot (up to 8GB)
Microphone jack
Earphone jack
DC jack
Keypad- 80 Keys
Mouse Pad: 2.2" mouse pad
Battery: 8.4 V 1800mAh built in Lithium battery
Built in 2 x 0.5W speaker
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PostPosted: Thu 09 Sep 2010, 10:37    Post_subject:  

zapjb

I don't think 300mhz is fast enough for streaming TV/video
Best to go to a store where you can demo one to suit your taste/pocket
The Eken M001 looks interesting - less than $70/ea for ten, from China
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Hey guys....is puppy getting left behind here?

Many 7" iPad type 3G devices are running Android/*buntu on VIA 8505 processors at 450/533/600/800Mhz for less than $100 a pop!!

Just what Puppy was intended for surely??

Anyone working on it??

Aitch Smile
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PostPosted: Fri 10 Sep 2010, 06:25    Post_subject:  

Aitch
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Just what Puppy was intended for surely??

Anyone working on it??


Is not this a sure way to make them very non-motivated.

My experience is that devs only get motivated by their inner lust for doing things and if one make demands that way they get locked in forever. Smile

Puppy should be for fun and not by demand by users.

You are one of those motivated to have such Puppy. Why don't you do it? Nothing prevent you from getting to that level if you are motivated enough? You do sound very motivated to me. Smile With my tongue firmly dislocated in my big mouth.

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