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Iguleder

Hello, fellow puppians.

About 10 minutes ago I built a dpup from Debian Squeeze, using the Lupu 5.1.2-pre package lists. Works just fine except mess in the menus, some problem with setting icons and no wallpaper. I think it's Woof-related.

dpup-001.sfs is 107 MB and the zdrv is about 6.5 MB. The whole thing is 117 MB, way smaller than an upup built with the same choice of packages. I chose not to strip binaries and some junk files were still included, it won't be hard to trim this down to 105-110 MB or so. It misses some multimedia packages (because Debian has them in a separate repo) but I don't think they can fill the "free space" till 128 MB Laughing

At the moment I'm building another dpup, this time with a slightly different choice of PET repos. I'm trying to determine what Puppy is more "compatible" with Debian Squeeze, Quirky or Lupu. I think it's a better idea to stay away from Lupu packages to avoid confusion and incompatibility problems with PET packages.

It seems very interesting, Debian is very stable and mature. A Puppy based on Debian can be wonderful. dpup is kinda dead, so I think it could be nice if a team of community members could revive it.

Debian Squeeze, largely, is compatible with Ubuntu 10.4, so packages like Quickpet can be used with a dpup. Things like the awesome control panel and wbar from dpup can be adopted too.

I have some interesting ideas that I haven't implemented in a puplet and I'd like to do some voting (if this dpup revival project kicks and screams). Two of of them are renaming the "calc" icon and making the "chat" icon start Freenode's web IRC client instead of the buggy and annoying ayttm.

Just think of it ... a community-built Puppy that doesn't compete with Puppeee, Fluppy, Lupu, Quirky or Wary. Just ... a peaceful Puppy that "just works". Not something targeted at netbooks or older hardware, just a "generic" Puppy in the spirit of 4.x.

No roles, no duties, total democracy and freedom of speech. A Puppy open to suggestions and complaints, sort of a "the people's Puppy" with a "release when ready" policy and key values of openness, freedom of speech, collaboration and high quality.

A "clean" dpup built from latest Woof with the latest Lupu package list is the start. I'm already working on that. Once we have some alpha-quality Puppy we can hunt down bugs, replace packages, polish some rough edges and add some bling.

If anyone is interested in this too, let's get this going. Just raise your hand and reply with "count me in" Smile

Cheers!

aarf · Joined: 30 Aug 2007 Posts: 3620 Location: around the bend

To totally avoid stepping on toes. Just call it something other than dpup and get going. it is the puppy way. Post your works and helpers will materialise based of the taste of the pudding.

dejan555 · Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 2407 Location: Montenegro

it's not a puplet or remaster. it's new dpup woof build - can't call it different Smile

Count me in!

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld

Well this is good news! Very Happy

I was trying to build a dpup but I only had a crappy build that succeeded from woof from about a late August , although haven't had much time the last week or so.

I'll be around too,

Cheers

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky

If someone builds it, I've always got an empty partition for testing...... Laughing

Iguleder · Posted: Sun 12 Sep 2010, 17:58 Post subject:

cthisbear · Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 2943 Location: Sydney Australia

Debpup??

" gposil will be fine with it "

Miss him and hope that he's OK.

""""""""""
Iguleder.

Never feel bad about innovation.

I wish you every success.
I'm sure that you will have plenty of support.

Chris.

01micko · Joined: 11 Oct 2008 Posts: 7019 Location: qld

iguleder

Count me in.. Very Happy

Like I said, not a great deal of time at the moment but I'll be around.. and as far as naming goes, call it what you like.

If you are basing on woof then it would be great if you could follow a similar philosophy as playdayz and track woof development. This not only helps dpup (or whatever you want to call it Wink

) but woof too. I'm sure Barry will welcome the initiative. Official or Puplet matters little at all, it's still Puppy Wink

.

There are packaging tools in place with your 'pdebthing' and my 'alien2puppy' for knocking out packages from .debs.

Also, as long as we have a working devx I'm sure Dejan and myself will get busy compiling packages, and plenty of other interest will be aroused.

Could be a nice base for your Trinity work too.

question 1.. where's the iso??? Very Happy

(warts and all is ok Wink

)

question 2.. which kernel? I'm guessing a Squeeze build wants at least 2.6.33.x... and currently gcc is at 4.4.4 in Squeeze, so a recompile will be necessary. What about a retro... Lenny based.. 2.6.27.47? (I think that's that one with all the modem drivers..BK compiled for Wary.. [edit; thanks James C Wink

]).

question 3.. Anything special/different/cutting edge you have in mind?

Very Happy

Cheers

Lobster · Posted: Mon 13 Sep 2010, 02:14 Post subject:

James C · Joined: 26 Mar 2009 Posts: 4742 Location: Kentucky

ttuuxxx · Posted: Mon 13 Sep 2010, 02:36 Post subject:

Iguleder Dpup wasn't gposil's creation, actually tronkel was the first to build dpup, and Barry named it Dpup, I was the second to build and release Dpup, gposil was the third to release Dpup, Its just that he stuck to it longer, But once again it was Barry who named it, so you don't have to feel bad about it, Just give it a different version number.
ttuuxxx

Iguleder · Posted: Mon 13 Sep 2010, 04:10 Post subject:

ttuuxxx · Posted: Mon 13 Sep 2010, 04:28 Post subject:

Iguleder · Posted: Mon 13 Sep 2010, 04:36 Post subject:

I did that too but I don't understand why a new kernel is needed. Squeeze (as all Debian releases) is built with 2.6.18 as the minimum kernel and uses 2.6.32.x.

About GCC, same story, why? I know how to do this and I did this many times. Takes lots of space and could be problematic.

EDIT: yay, finally understood how to do it properly - I added the Debian Multimedia repo to Woof. Now multimedia packages should be available. I'll send this to Barry.