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#101 Post by Béèm »

Bert wrote:
Béèm wrote: One question tho, is the trinity-core sfs the same as before?
As I understand it it's a new one.
A suffix added would have been welcome then. (still permission denied)
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#102 Post by Iguleder »

Fixed the permissions.

These are new SFSs, this time with working tray icons and different packages.
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#103 Post by James C »

Installed both new sfs files on Luci-236,replacing the previous Trinity sfs. Started K3B and got the error message in the screenshot.Downloaded "cdrdao" but didn't install it..........K3B works anyway.Successfully burned a couple of discs.
No working tray icons here, but I kept the same save file which may be the problem.
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#104 Post by Béèm »

Iguleder wrote:Fixed the permissions.

These are new SFSs, this time with working tray icons and different packages.
Thanks to confirm as the core sfs had the same size.
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#105 Post by Béèm »

I am running these sfs's now in squeeze 009.
The only app which doesn't run ia amarok.
I get the spash screen during a second or two.
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#106 Post by James C »

Luci-236 with the latest Trinity..................

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Feedback - usability improvements

#107 Post by peebee »

Many thanks to Iguleder for giving us further updates to test and admire....

I've loaded the new SFSs onto a frugal install of luci236 as thats the main route that people will see its availability I think.

I first tried it with a pristine (new) lucisave and then I reused the lucisave that I'd been using with the previous version ("downgrading" it to jwm and removing the old SFS load before doing the transfer)

The main usability problems I have (none show stoppers but maybe need health warnings of some sort for Lucid Puppy users) are:

1. no usb detection onto the desktop - pmount can be used

2. now solved

3. reboot and poweroff not automatic from menu - have to type shock horror at prompt or use PupShutdown Manager pet

4. now solved

5. menus are a mishmash of Lucid and Trinity entries with most Lucid items in the humungous "Lost & Found" menu.

6. Konqueror file manager does not have actions for Puppy file types - RoxFiler is occasionally needed.

Would love to help to make some of these better but not clever or knowledgeable enough to know where to start.....for instance if I started to tidy up the menu structure how would I export my results so that they could be used by others? Or if I were to tailor PupShutdown how would I create a new Trinity specific PET?

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#108 Post by Béèm »

peebee wrote:Many thanks to Iguleder for giving us further updates to test and admire....

I've loaded the new SFSs onto a frugal install of luci236 as thats the main route that people will see its availability I think.

I first tried it with a pristine (new) lucisave and then I reused the lucisave that I'd been using with the previous version ("downgrading" it to jwm and removing the old SFS load before doing the transfer)

The main usability problems I have (none show stoppers but maybe need health warnings of some sort for Lucid Puppy users) are:

1. no usb detection onto the desktop - pmount can be used
Same with squeeze 009
peebee wrote:2. -23 hour clock display after a reboot
In squeeze I get the correct time.
peebee wrote:3. reboot and poweroff not automatic from menu - have to type shock horror at prompt or use PupShutdown Manager pet
Same in squeeze 009 and this issue has been raised in this thread already.
peebee wrote:4. no sound volume control in the tray - no system use graphic like in jwm
In squeeze 009 on first boots I got the KDE volume, not anymore. But normally retrovol should have come to life. Not anymore. I just found out that's because Kmix isn't run at boot probably. I executed Kmix and have the KDE vol now.
peebee wrote:5. menus are a mishmash of Lucid and Trinity entries with most Lucid items in the humungous "Lost & Found" menu.
Same in squeeze 009 and has also been addressed here. The reason seems to be the category entries not being the same for JWM and KDE. I move those entries with Kmenu setup the proper place, eventually by creating new categories, but my question how to 'export' this menu setup remains unandwered.
peebee wrote:6. Konqueror file manager does not have actions for Puppy file types - RoxFiler is occasionally needed.
Normal, it's a different file manager. The same will happen if a different file manager in JWM is used. Konqueror has to be 'teached' how to handle file types.
peebee wrote:Would love to help to make some of these better but not clever or knowledgeable enough to know where to start.....for instance if I started to tidy up the menu structure how would I export my results so that they could be used by others? Or if I were to tailor PupShutdown how would I create a new Trinity specific PET?

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#109 Post by Iguleder »

This Trinity experiment is so funny ... lulz :lol:

I want to try another approach - make a mutated Pdebthing version just for Trinity and use the Trinity repo of Debian Squeeeze with the Ubuntu Lucid repo - Trinity itself from the Trinity repo and all dependencies from Ubuntu Lucid. There's a good chance this won't work ... but I still think it's a good idea.

I also intend to start working on the actual trinitypup experiment - a "kdpup" built with Woof. The previous plan was to bake a barebones "dpup", then stir it with the Trinity SFSs, but the recipe turned out to be non-booting :lol:
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#110 Post by Béèm »

In the first KDE (base) when hovering with the mouse over a running application in the system tray, I got the complete name in a 'balloon'.
With this latest Trinity not any more.
I checked settings of the system tray, but didn't find where I have to tick an option.
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#111 Post by Béèm »

With this new Trinity-core, amarok still don't run on my PS apart from a 2 second splash screen.
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#112 Post by Béèm »

Béèm wrote:In the first KDE (base) when hovering with the mouse over a running application in the system tray, I got the complete name in a 'balloon'.
With this latest Trinity not any more.
I checked settings of the system tray, but didn't find where I have to tick an option.
Anyone knows?
I just discovered it, but there is some inverse logic in play here.
In Configure KDE - panel - appearance I had to untick 'Enable icon mouse_over effect.'
Not very logical.
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#113 Post by James C »

Béèm wrote:With this new Trinity-core, amarok still don't run on my PS apart from a 2 second splash screen.
For what its worth, Amarok works fine on both Luci-236 and Zen-006....both frugal installs with the two new Trinity sfs files,

Related to earlier posts, here on Zen/Trinity 006 I do have usb detection.
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#114 Post by peebee »

A way to get the sound control in the tray is:

Run kmix - this creates a tray item and opens a window
Close the kmix window
Save the session
In the Session Manager - choose start with saved session

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#115 Post by Béèm »

James C wrote:
Béèm wrote:With this new Trinity-core, amarok still don't run on my PS apart from a 2 second splash screen.
For what its worth, Amarok works fine on both Luci-236 and Zen-006....both frugal installs with the two new Trinity sfs files,

Related to earlier posts, here on Zen/Trinity 006 I do have usb detection.
I didn't specify, but it was with Trinity on squeeze 009.
No amarok, no USB devices.

I just installed on 236 now.
Amarok is running and after editing fstab, I have the USB devices, but they can't be mounted.
Message: HAL is needed.
And indeed I don't see in the running processes HAL is running and I don't see a hald bin/script.
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#116 Post by maxpro4u »

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#117 Post by Béèm »

I have worked now with trinity-core and the apps.
In squeeze 009 as well as in lucid 236.
In squeeze I have slowness and functions of wine programs that don't work any more. A new save file had to be made.

In lucid 236 I had the applications, like SeaMonkey on the screen but not in a window. So I didn't have the close button and I had to cole by menu|file|quit.
In ROX there is no menu, so I had to kill the application.

I had to make two times a new save file already for lucid.
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KDE Trinity not starting.

#118 Post by darkduck »

Hi,
on my Puppy 5.1.1 frugal i removed 2 previous packages and replaced them with new *trinity*.sfs ones.
Now during boot I can only get to command line, no one window manager starts. When I type startx, I get to JWM. But from there I can only shutdown/reboot. No other option in Shutdown menu section works!
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#119 Post by Béèm »

You have to type xwin startkde
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#120 Post by darkduck »

Béèm wrote:You have to type xwin startkde
Nope, that did not help. Moreover, after that xwin did not work as "standalone" either. Only xwin jwm launched JWM. But no KDE stilll.
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