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#261 Post by Colonel Panic »

Hi. I'm sorry to say I have a problem with Fatdog 500.

I downloaded it yesterday and booted it up on a (64-bit) computer, and it worked fine except that about 20 minutes later I got a complaint from the centre's tech guy. The centre runs on Windows XP, and apparently my computer was using 2 IP addresses and slowing down the network.

Does anyone else know why this might be happening?

Thanks in advance,

CP.
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LAN card questions

#262 Post by gcmartin »

Colonel Panic wrote:Hi. I'm sorry to say I have a problem with Fatdog 500.

I downloaded it yesterday and booted it up on a (64-bit) computer, and it worked fine except that about 20 minutes later I got a complaint from the centre's tech guy. The centre runs on Windows XP, and apparently my computer was using 2 IP addresses and slowing down the network.

Does anyone else know why this might be happening?

Thanks in advance,

CP.
Please reboot the LIveCD and after getting to desktop, open a terminal window and type "ip address show". Post the results here.

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#263 Post by edoc »

Are there any improvements to the ATI Radeon drivers in the new version?

We have an ACER Aspire that chronically overheats under moderate video stress.

We only run Puppy Fatdog64-500 on it, though we have briefly tested dpup and zpup -- with the same result, or worse.
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Re: LAN card questions

#264 Post by Colonel Panic »

gcmartin wrote:
Colonel Panic wrote:Hi. I'm sorry to say I have a problem with Fatdog 500.

I downloaded it yesterday and booted it up on a (64-bit) computer, and it worked fine except that about 20 minutes later I got a complaint from the centre's tech guy. The centre runs on Windows XP, and apparently my computer was using 2 IP addresses and slowing down the network.

Does anyone else know why this might be happening?

Thanks in advance,

CP.
Please reboot the LIveCD and after getting to desktop, open a terminal window and type "ip address show". Post the results here.
Thanks for replying. I'll certainly do that although it probably won't be until next week - that's when I'm next likely to be in town.

Best,

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#265 Post by kirk »

I downloaded it yesterday and booted it up on a (64-bit) computer, and it worked fine except that about 20 minutes later I got a complaint from the centre's tech guy. The centre runs on Windows XP, and apparently my computer was using 2 IP addresses and slowing down the network.
Do you have two NIC cards? I suspect you tech guy is confused. Even if you had two IP addresses that shouldn't make much difference. To check your IP address open a terminal and type ifconfig.
Are there any improvements to the ATI Radeon drivers in the new version?
Well, I packaged the latest version Catalyst 10.10. Or if you mean the open source driver the whole Xorg tree has been upgraded to the latest.

I'll post an RC this weekend. Please note that the kernel has changed and I'm going to use the same repository for pet packages that 500 uses. The only problem with that is the ATI and Nvidia proprietary drivers. I'll move those two to a sub-folder labeled old. Also, Jamesbond has been on a mission and hasn't had free time lately, so there's no Nvidia pet for 510 yet. :>

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#267 Post by Colonel Panic »

kirk wrote:
I downloaded it yesterday and booted it up on a (64-bit) computer, and it worked fine except that about 20 minutes later I got a complaint from the centre's tech guy. The centre runs on Windows XP, and apparently my computer was using 2 IP addresses and slowing down the network.

Do you have two NIC cards? I suspect you tech guy is confused. Even if you had two IP addresses that shouldn't make much difference. To check your IP address open a terminal and type ifconfig.
Thanks for replying. He's normally very good, so I doubt he's confused but there's no harm in my trying that ifconfig anyway (as well as the ip address command mentioned earlier).

He told me he thought it was something to do with it being a Linux machine running on a networked system meant for Windows XP, but I don't know why that would be a problem.

Best,

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#268 Post by edoc »

cthisbear wrote:ATI...Barry post..does this help?

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01932

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=01931

Chris.
Always some new progress in Puppy-world!

If I understand correctly the RC may contain access to the new ATI drivers - we can test them then.

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#269 Post by kirk »

edoc,

There is a ATI Catalyst pet package for Fatdog64-500 too. This one is version 10.5. The release notes are here:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/ ... _linux.pdf

You need to look at the release notes before installing the pet package and make sure your card is supported. I've uploaded Fatdog64-510, so the ATI pet package for 500 has been moved to the "old" folder.

The ATI Catalyst pet package for Fatdog64-510 is version 10.10. Here's the release notes for that:

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/ ... _linux.pdf

Again make sure you check that your card is supported, the release notes will list what cards are supported. The 10.10 version is now in the pet repository.

The pet packages are kernel specific:

ati-catalyst-10.5.pet is for Fatdog64-500 only.

ati-catalyst-10.10.pet is for Fatdog64-510 only.

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Update Page 1?

#270 Post by Barburo »

Hi - I am picking up with Fatdog again after six months or so. Decided to test out 510 so I needed to start with a new save file. I read through this forum thread and at 18+ pages it's easy to miss stuff.
I really like Fatdog500 for its speed on 64 bit processors.

Can you update the initial page entry with information that a new user, or someone re-setting-up should know, so that all the information needed is in one place? I'm thinking about these items:
- Apply the .pet to prevent white on yellow for PPM.
- Warning about using Alsa sound wizard (It disabled my save file)
- How to set up Firefox for use as non-spot
- Any other stuff that a first time user should be aware of.
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#271 Post by kirk »

- Apply the .pet to prevent white on yellow for PPM.
That should be fixed in 510.
- Warning about using Alsa sound wizard (It disabled my save file)
The Alsa sound wizard has been removed from the menu.
How to set up Firefox for use as non-spot
In 510 if you click the FAQs link and then click "Firefox won't save to xxxx." you'll find your answer.
- Any other stuff that a first time user should be aware of.
Read all of the FAQs, there's not much to read. It should be very helpful to new users.

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kirk wrote:Do you have two NIC cards? I suspect you tech guy is confused. Even if you had two IP addresses that shouldn't make much difference. To check your IP address open a terminal and type ifconfig.
Hi. Sadly I wasn't able to do this as the system is gradually being upgraded to Windows 7 this week and I didn't want to risk "rocking the boat."

He did tell me what he thought the problem was though; apparently the Fatdog system is failing to release its IP address so it's showing up as a "ghost computer" on the network.

Maybe if I'm unable to investigate this further it's better if I write this off, especially if no one else is experiencing this problem when running Fatdog (or any other Puppy) on a networked Windows XP Pro system.

Thanks for your attention anyway,

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#273 Post by Barburo »

Thanks for your quick reply Kirk,
I had missed the link to the FAQ on the Home Page.
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#274 Post by Warrior522 »

I'm a bit confused; is 510 released yet, or are the references to using it only from those with a beta?

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System Monitor?

#275 Post by Barburo »

I was wondering if there are plans to include a System Monitor in FD500.

I boot FD500 with the .sfs for 32 bit libraries and the .sfs for 32-bit OxygenOffice works just fine.
I like gkrellm (small, efficient, and multi-functional) and I tried ttuuxxx's pet from here:
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I get an xmessage "gkrellm segmentation fault: (Initializing)"
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#276 Post by moB »

Colonel Panic wrote:
kirk wrote:Do you have two NIC cards? I suspect you tech guy is confused. Even if you had two IP addresses that shouldn't make much difference. To check your IP address open a terminal and type ifconfig.
Hi. Sadly I wasn't able to do this as the system is gradually being upgraded to Windows 7 this week and I didn't want to risk "rocking the boat."

He did tell me what he thought the problem was though; apparently the Fatdog system is failing to release its IP address so it's showing up as a "ghost computer" on the network.

Maybe if I'm unable to investigate this further it's better if I write this off, especially if no one else is experiencing this problem when running Fatdog (or any other Puppy) on a networked Windows XP Pro system.

Thanks for your attention anyway,

CP .
Can you set the network to accept a static IP?

That way the DHCP lease expiring would not be an issue.

Also...
We had a similar "problem" on a LAN with two IP addresses for a box with ethernet and wifi connections, both of which were being connected to the network. If it's not the lease issue, that might well be the ticket?

Or...
To set the puppy to keep up one can set the ip to go down and back up at intervals more suitable to the msWindows LAN.

If you reconnect too quickly (ie too soon) you will get multiple IP's listed on your LAN. (Sixty seconds or more is required for most DNS records to reset.) The timeouts vary, so check with your local support.

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 killall -HUP eth0
...or something like that.

http://www.google.com/search?q=HUP+reload+linux


Best results to you
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It's not a linux vs ms thing.

All windows--ms wasn't even the first :lol:

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#277 Post by kirk »

Can you set the network to accept a static IP?
Yes, you'll see a button for that in the network wizard. You'll want to make sure that any static address you use is available and out of the DHCP server's range.
We had a similar "problem" on a LAN with two IP addresses for a box with ethernet and wifi connections, both of which were being connected to the network. If it's not the lease issue, that might well be the ticket?
That's only possible if you have a network cable connected and you configure your wireless card to connect. Your wireless card will not just connect on it's own, unless you have configured it to do so. If you open a terminal and type ifconfig you'll get something like this (probably not this long):

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# ifconfig
eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:26:B9:E0:A5:6A  
          inet addr:192.168.1.200  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
          Interrupt:20 Memory:96900000-96920000 

lo        Link encap:Local Loopback  
          inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
          UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

ppp0      Link encap:Point-to-Point Protocol  
          inet addr:75.204.58.41  P-t-P:66.174.168.64  Mask:255.255.255.255
          UP POINTOPOINT RUNNING NOARP MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:1303 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:1438 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:3 
          RX bytes:802841 (784.0 KiB)  TX bytes:198169 (193.5 KiB)

wlan0     Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:23:14:DC:48:B8  
          inet addr:192.168.1.220  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 
          RX bytes:0 (0.0 B)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

# 
I'm actually using ppp0 right now which is a modem, but for this example I brought up the other interfaces and gave them addresses. Some explanation:

eth0 --- This is my hard-wired lan connection. I gave it an address of 192.168.1.200.

lo --- This is the loop-back device, it should always have an address of 127.0.0.1.

ppp0 --- This is my cell phone modem. The cell carrier's DHCP assigned me an address of 75.204.58.41.

wlan0 --- This is my wifi card. I gave it an address of 192.168.1.220.


Your interface names will vary, except for lo and probably eth0. In this example I have three ip addresses and all of my interfaces are up so ifconfig shows their status. If I had not caused all of those interfaces to be active, ifconfig would have just shown the lo interface and the interface I was actually using.

I suspect that you're using Windows, and Windows gets an IP address from your DHCP server, then when you shutdown/hybernate and Windows doesn't release that address. Then you boot up Fatdog64 and it gets an IP address from your DHCP server for that same MAC address. You might try opening a terminal on Windows (Start-run-cmd) and typing ipconfig /release and then shutting down. I don't know why you IT guy cares if your MAC address has two address assigned to it unless your running out of addresses.

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#278 Post by Colonel Panic »

OK, finally managed to grab some quiet time in the computer suite.

Here's my ipconfig (I'm posting from Fatdog 64-500 as before);

eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 48:5B:39:C2:67:66
inet addr:192.168.1.107 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:31436 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:29078 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
RX bytes:36993229 (35.2 MiB) TX bytes:4148922 (3.9 MiB)
Interrupt:28 Base address:0x4000

lo Link encap:Local Loopback
inet addr:127.0.0.1 Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING MTU:16436 Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)

Hope someone can make sense of this!

Cheers,

CP .
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#279 Post by kirk »

Colonel Panic,

That shows that you have one IP address, eth0 has an address of 192.168.1.107.

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#280 Post by Colonel Panic »

kirk wrote:Colonel Panic,

That shows that you have one IP address, eth0 has an address of 192.168.1.107.
Thanks for the info. I assume that means it's not "ghosting" on the server network any more? In any case I haven't heard any more about it from the tech people here so it may have been a one-off.

Cheers,

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