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#41 Post by don570 »

I've come to the conclusion that the simplest way to
handle password encryption is just a simple warning
combined with a recommendation of a new password.

For example let's suppose that a French user has chosen
the password France33

He would be warned with the following message

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The password you have chosen cannot be used
to boot up your Puppy Linux installation on a keyboard
designed for Germans or Americans.  Therefore a simpler
password  with less characters is recommended but
it is not a necessity.   We suggest that you change your 
password from  France33   to just  Frnce.

This simpler password will allow you to boot up Puppy
Linux using other keyboard designs that are common
around the world.   What do you want to do ?
Then finish off with some button choices.

Of course I am assuming that the user was quizzed
previously about what kind of keyboard that he is currently
using and has already gone through a procedure of inputing a
password from a limited set of characters i.e. no y and z allowed.

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window for password users

#42 Post by don570 »

If a user wants a password you will probably need to
ask what type of keyboard he is currently using,
Here's a design
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-18020fd3.html

For a user that doesn't have a compatible keyboard
(such as a Russian cyrillic keyboard), they can be
told to use the legacy method of inputing a password.
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#43 Post by noryb009 »

don570: that might work, but in a different way. What if: When a user logs in using their password, but it doesn't work, it adds to the error something like "or type blah if you have a different keyboard then normal" or something. When the user types blah, it asks what type of keyboard they are using, and tries to convert the password somehow.

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inputing password at bootup

#44 Post by don570 »

To noryb009

I believe that Shinobar will continue to use Barry Kauler's code
for inputing a password at bootup time.

Barry simply asks for the password over and over until you type
in the right one . The user is in the console mode so everything
must be in ASCII characters. But this is not explained to
the user at bootup time which is confusing people with
no technical training. In fact while you type in your password
the keystrokes aren't shown on your screen ( which is why I call
Barry 'sneaky'). I think Barrry did this deliberately.

Barry does give an explanation albeit too brief and only in English
when the user is composing his password.

Barry's procedure is totally in English so the big benefit
of PupsaveconfigGUI is that it can be localized to a huge
number of languages. It will be a nice feature for Puppy linux
to attract users in Asia, Africa...

An extra feature that PupsaveconfigGUI could have is the tranposing of
passwords from one keyboard type to another, but this adds complexity
to a program that needs to be simple and few Puppy users even use
a password from what I read on the forum. I still don't use a password
myself even though it only slows down the booting of the computer
a couple of seconds.

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correction

#45 Post by don570 »

I didn't draw the QWERTZ keyboard properly
Here's the proper diagram
http://www.datafilehost.com/download-f04464c2.html

I drew the M key in the wrong spot.

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I am comming

#46 Post by shinobar »

Thanks don and to all.
I have to appologize i couldn't respond. I am busy now with refining the grub4dosconfig.
You know I am working on regarding easy setup of Puppy in 7 area.
  1. Boot up menu
  2. Direct desktop
  3. Country setup
  4. Frugal installer for easy installation
  5. Grub4Dosconfig for easy setup the boot loader
  6. Winfonts for providing swap space for Windows dualboot PC.
  7. Pupsaveconfig
Former 6 is getting success. And the last is this pupsaveconfig.
I am comming back after a while.
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great work

#47 Post by emil »

Shinobar, I just wanted to give a big *thumbs up* to you, great work!
These are all very important little features!

I think the save file creation should get a major improvement, maybe it is possible to stay in the X system while doing it. Having the text menus looks so very dangerous and outfashioned :-D. What were the arguments to create it at the end of the first session and not right in the beginning, e.g same time as the country wizard?

kind regards
emil

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Re: great work

#48 Post by shinobar »

emil wrote:What were the arguments to create it at the end of the first session and not right in the beginning, e.g same time as the country wizard?
Exactly we are aiming that.

BTW, i'd like to congratulate your new SageLive!
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pupsaveconfig-1.6.1 a mock up sample was mistake

#49 Post by shinobar »

Hi all, i am back!

Attached at the top post pupsaveconfig-1.6.1.pet, still a mock up sample.
It does not yet reflect our discussion here on the password.
It is only for indicating that i am back to this project.
It has a help file at '/usr/share/doc/help/C/pupsaveconfig.txt', but you need pman, recent Puppy has, installed on your puppy.

To see the mock up, on the virtual terminal, type:

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pupsaveconfig2 --debug
EDIT: was mistake. Please wait maybe more one week before next test release.
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pupsaveconfig-1.9.2

#50 Post by shinobar »

Working model is now available!
Download pupsaveconfig-1.9.2.pet from here.
Install on any Puppy-4.x/5.x running with RAM only mode.
Need you test and help towards the version 2.

Find 'PupSaveConfig' menu under 'Utility'.
Or from terminal, type 'pupsaveconfig' (not 'pupsaveconfig2').
Or automatically launches at shutdown.
(Though we are intend to launch it automatically at the first boot up.)

Image

pupsaveconfig-1.9.2 adds the features:
  • GUI for configuring the savefile
  • Offer copying the main sfs to HDD at Live CD boot
  • Offer swap file for small RAM PC
  • Choice saving session or not for the frugal install on flash(PUPMODE=13)... You need to select '0' for periodical save interval.
  • Remove CD at poweroff. But does not at reboot.
Memorandum:
  • Warning on password and keyboard layout issue, but no check with input phrase
  • Does not support 'save to floppy' (does it work in recent Puppy?)
  • Does not support 'Save to entire partition' (It is buggy and not recommended)
  • Does not treat PSAVEMARK (Do you need?)
  • Swap file is taken on internal HDD regardless it can be flash device(SSD) nor external (real) HDD.
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Super

#51 Post by emil »

*BIG THUMBS UP*
I go for a test ...

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Save session or not

#52 Post by shinobar »

Tanks, emil.

BTW, to make the choice save session or no, the Puppy need frugal installed on flash(PUPMODE=13).
You need to choose the periodic saving to '0'.

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PS: As for saving session back to the Live CD, you are always asked to save the session or not at the shutdown.
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#53 Post by jemimah »

Looking great so far on Puppeee.

I'm wondering, is there a reason you didn't include ext4 support?

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ext4 support

#54 Post by shinobar »

jemimah wrote: is there a reason you didn't include ext4 support?
I don't know why but Barry doesn't.
See the comment in rc.shutdown.

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#100401 choose ext2/3/4 for pupsave file. 100410 offer ext2/3 only.
You can try it with manually typing 'ext4' in the 'File type' combobox.
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#55 Post by jemimah »

Weird. I'll have to add it back in from an older copy.

Thanks for making this.

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#56 Post by sc0ttman »

just a quick question...

are you planning to allow users to choose the following settings, before a savefile is created:

1. choose to enable the 'save session or not' dialog at shutdown, after a save file has been created..

2. choose to make IDE frugal installs not save in real-time..
(make IDE installs behave like USB, only [ask to] save at shutdown...)

I will almost certainly be using this, even if these features are not planned at any time...

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'save session or not' dialog

#57 Post by shinobar »

sc0ttman wrote:1. choose to enable the 'save session or not' dialog at shutdown, after a save file has been created..

2. choose to make IDE frugal installs not save in real-time..
(make IDE installs behave like USB, only [ask to] save at shutdown...)
1. pupsaveconfig-1.9.2 already supports. Choose the periodic saving to '0'.
2. pupsaveconfig will not. Rewrite the boot option 'pmedia=atahd' to 'pmedia=ataflash'.
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pupsaveconfig-1.9.3

#58 Post by shinobar »

The pupsaveconfig-1.9.2 yesterday was failed to save on unmounted partition. (Thanks to bon, Japanese Forum)

Fixed at pupsaveconfig-1.9.3.pet (16 Dec 2010) the test release available from here.
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ext4 support

#59 Post by shinobar »

shinobar wrote:
jemimah wrote: is there a reason you didn't include ext4 support?
shinobar wrote:You can try it with manually typing 'ext4' in the 'File type' combobox.
Tested, and faild :lol:

Now, ext4 is supported with pupsaveconfig-1.9.4.pet available here.
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#60 Post by jemimah »

Awesome! Thanks. :)

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