Wary Puppy 5.0-final feedback

[nooby]

Dave take up temperature. Wary5 on my Acer D250 show 27C which is incredibly low. Could not be trusted can it?

How else can one get the temp without installing some pet for it?

I went to system and hardware info. What can I coomand on CLI console?

[DaveS]

Dave take up temperature. Wary5 on my Acer D250 show 27C which is incredibly low. Could not be trusted can it?

How else can one get the temp without installing some pet for it?

I went to system and hardware info. What can I coomand on CLI console?

Dont know Nooby. I just use hardinfo like you....

[nooby]

I am in another puppy now not sure which one. How does one know which puppy one are in? Wary tells with big chars but some of the otehrs don't reveal it at all.

I feel so lost. But this one also says it is 27C and that is not likely true at all.

This is Acer D250 and a newly bought Acer D255 has 46 to 52C or something and this D250 stay on 27 all the time so could something be wrong with the sensor maybe?

[Flapdoodle]

How else can one get the temp without installing some pet for it?

When I said my machine was cooler, I go by feeling the air exiting the cooling fan. Since it has a variable speed fan, (3 speed I believe) I can get an idea by the sound, the feel of heat, and how much air is blowing.

We have cute things in chat such as OMG, It may sound corny, but I would like to submit TGFP (Thank God for Puppy)

[nooby]

Flap, I am embarrassed. Sure that is a good way to find out. I have several such Digital Temp gadgets to use one only need to fix the probe with a tape or something on same distance each time to get a comparable reliable result.

I go by how often the Fan need to cool the CPU down that should indicate if it goes too high.

The D255 engage the Fan more often on same puppy so that means it is less good at keeping itself low temp.

One way to find out what puppy I am in is to go to Help and often teh Dev present what puppy it is there. I found that out today. by accident phew.

Edit. Tested Wary 5 and Fluppy same distance on both to the Digital probe and Wary fast got up to 30C while Fluppy very slowly has reached 30 after some 30 minutes. the room temperature is 23C so Fluppy and Wary runs cool on this acer D250

[neurino]

Which are changes from Wary 104 (RC)?

Except SM and it's scrolling issues, that don't bother me: I switched instantly to Chrome since javascript engine in SM is extreeemely slow (try to write a mail in Gmail and use the link dialog...) but I guess it's just the js engine, not a Wary problem.

Is it worth the update?

Great work anyway!

edit: I tried skiboardsonline forum link in SeaMonkey 2.0.11 but I have no problems scrolling, it's a bit slow in refreshing but it's almost common with that browser, in my opinion.

[DaveS]

edit: I tried skiboardsonline forum link in SeaMonkey 2.0.11 but I have no problems scrolling, it's a bit slow in refreshing but it's almost common with that browser, in my opinion.

True enough, it was just way better in earlier versions is all.....

[Béèm]

LOL.. skiboardsonline.com still scrolls awful.
Everything else looks great so far.

Lighthouse 500G and SeaMonkey 2.0.11 no problems.

[BarryK]

I tested a new frugal install and an upgrade of a frugal install. Everything I have tested so far has worked as expected. Great work Barry!

One small point though. In the Blog you said "the first-boot dialog window that offers you a choice of locale now defaults to UTF8 on". It did not for me - at least I don't think it did and I have plenty of RAM. I did not check locale at the terminal so cannot be completely sure. Certainly, when I went to "Desktop -> Chooselocale country localisation" UTF-8 was not on. This could have been misreporting by the selection dialog. However, when I selected UTF-8 it was saved and worked as expected .

That decision was reverted, also reported in my blog. UTF-8 still has some issues.

[BarryK]

May have found a minor bug....
The lower right time thingy says GMT+7, but when I look at set timezone it says it is set correctly at GMT-7

It does not seem to cause any problems though.

That is not a bug. There is a *very* long history of discussing this on the forum.

[gcmartin]

Running LIveDVD Wary 5. SM is steady and I'm not getting any issues with anything else thus far....except for 1. PPM.
Seems after installing a couple of packages, I get a PPM Windowbox with message as follows:

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Puppy has searched for any missing 
shared libraries of the packages 
xorg_upgrade_intel-2.10.0-w5
No missing shared libraries

Puppy has examined all user-installed 
packages and found these missing 
babl gegl

what is the recommended course of action when I see this?
Thanks in advance

[broomdodger]

wary500
In PPM if I search and nothing is found, the cursor is not visible within the PPM window but is visible in the error dialog or outside the PPM window.

Is this known?
-Bill

[106498]

I downloaded the small version and installed on my toshiba nb200, frugal install.

Wireless and wired work. Sound through the headphone jack works, but not through the internal speakers. There are no further problem with sound though. I'm very pleased with this as recent puppies (lupu and fluppy) cause media to hang. I think it's the kernel that is the problem with those.

It also detects my netbooks internal 3g card, and loads the cdc_ether module (usb). I don't know anything about using it so if you would like me to test if further just send me some instructions!

[pop-pop]

Did a full install on a SATA internal hard drive and my Logitech Trackman Wheel is not recognized. ....
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My 'puter has a generic PS/2 mouse in the mouse port and also a Logictech Track Ball. I redid the Wary installation and watched more closely.
1) Boot with fresh Wary CD - both mice work
2) Full install Wary (wiping) to SATA hard drive partition - both mice work
3) Reboot Wary from hard drive and go through normal setup steps
4) Reboot and USB mouse no longer works

[pop-pop]

Did a full install on a SATA internal hard drive and my Logitech Trackman Wheel is not recognized. ....

My 'puter has a generic PS/2 mouse in the mouse port and also a Logictech Track Ball. I redid the Wary installation and watched more closely.
1) Boot with fresh Wary CD - both mice work
2) Full install Wary (wiping) to SATA hard drive partition - both mice work
3) Reboot Wary from hard drive and go through normal setup steps
4) Reboot and USB mouse no longer works

Interesting. I just booted into Wary after my morning walk and the USB track ball and PS/2 mouse are both working now.

[rjbrewer]

Did a full install on a SATA internal hard drive and my Logitech Trackman Wheel is not recognized. ....

My 'puter has a generic PS/2 mouse in the mouse port and also a Logictech Track Ball. I redid the Wary installation and watched more closely.
1) Boot with fresh Wary CD - both mice work
2) Full install Wary (wiping) to SATA hard drive partition - both mice work
3) Reboot Wary from hard drive and go through normal setup steps
4) Reboot and USB mouse no longer works

Interesting. I just booted into Wary after my morning walk and the USB track ball and PS/2 mouse are both working now.

The latest Warys' have an extended usb, pcmcia load time.
098 is the last one to have consistently reliable usb mouse
usage.

[nooby]

I used USB Mouse on Wary5 and it works good. Works in Lupu-518 and Fluppy 010 too.

[Frank Cox]

Hi Barry:

Just a note to thank you for the ongoing effort to support older equipment.
With all the talk about Lucid I missed this one.
To the best of my knowledge no one else comes close to building a system that works so well on old computers and makes dial-up as least painful as possible. For those who need such a system it is a true gift.
As soon as I get a chance I will try out Wary , I have no problems with 431 but I am looking forward to your improvements.
Sent a few dollars through PayPal , hope everyone who uses the software does, you deserve it .

[drblock2]

I installed RC (small) on my eight-year-old, lovingly-assembled from parts computer:

AMD Athlon 2 G Hz, 2 GB RAM, nvidia GForce FX 5200 , ESS 1969 Solo-1.

I did not try booting from a CD, but just copied the necessary ISO files to a directory and did a frugal install.

Everything worked right out of the box. With the nv driver I got a respectable 320 fps from glxgears. I used the video upgrade wizard to install the nvidia-71.86.14-k2.6.31.14-w5.pet. Imagine my surprise when glxgears showed an increase to 7500 fps!

Installing my network printer, I found two entries that seemed to amount to the same thing:

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Windows printer using smbclient 
Windows printer via SAMBA (smbclient)

This is somewhat confusing. I chose one at random and it worked.

I ported my frugal install to my IBM/Lenovo R60. The install routine correctly recommend Xorg vesa as the best driver available for the ATI Radeon Mobility X 1400 chip. I tried the Radeon driver, but it would not start X. Alas, no special driver available for this chip, but 360 fps in any case.

The Intel 82801G sound chip was not recognized at installation, but the ALSA Sound Wizard quickly solved the problem. Sound chip was recognized on reboot. I needed to do some adjustment with Retrovol, but first had to configure the window with the necessary slide controls. I would suggest preconfiguring with the most important controls to make things easier for new users.

Overall impression: Solid and blindingly fast! Some persistent problems still, however, persist:

The geany bug: geany still refuses to open files on a remote drive mounted via SAMBA. Workaround: Use nicoedit. But, still not good house training for the default editor. This problem has been with us since Puppy 4.3.1.

Printing to ps messes up the top and left margins. You can, of course, print directly to a pdf-file in both Abiword and OpenOffice, but the resulting files are huge as compared to printing to postscript and converting with ps2pdf, e.g., printing a document containing the text "This is a test" to a file via ps and the conversion utility produces a 2.7 KB file. Exporting the pdf-file directly from Abiword yields a 27 KB file. With OpenOffice 3.2.1, the toll is 108 KB. Workaround: Use Puppy 4.3.1 for this particular operation.

[rcrsn51]

The geany bug: geany still refuses to open files on a remote drive mounted via SAMBA. Workaround: Use nicoedit. But, still not good house training for the default editor. This problem has been with us since Puppy 4.3.1.

This is an odd situation. Geany will open a file in a Linux Samba share, but not in a Windows share. Also, I compiled geany 0.12 (from Puppy 4.12 where it does work) in Quirky and it still doesn't work.

It looks like the root cause of the problem is the "mount -t cifs" procedure. If I mount the share using YASSM and include the option noserverino, then geany works with a Windows share.