Wary Puppy 5.0-final feedback

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BarryK · #101 Post by **BarryK** » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 14:57

For you guys who liked the video support in Quirky 1.3, I have created a PET for Wary 5.0 that combines all the necessary packages from Quirky 1.3 that will bump Xorg up to version 7.5:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02065

obxjerry · #102 Post by **obxjerry** » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 17:37

Hi obxjerry

I also have a Thinkpad 600E with 192MB ram, a swap partition, and a Netgear pcmcia wifi card. How much memory do you have? Do you have a swap partition?

I've got nearly all the new Puppies to run OK in frugal install (not using CD).

There is a problem with pcmcia detection and with my Netgear card in some puppies (wary included) but I have found a combination that works which I can share with you.

I've even got sound to work!!

Cheers
Peter

Peter@ Thanks for offering to help. I'm really OK with that computer running 421-retro full install. I'll occasionally try a live cd or bit of hardware as an experiment but there's nothing I have a burning desire to change on it. The display is growing dimmer as it gets older so it's days may be numbered.

It runs just about as fast with 160mb of ram as it does with more so that's what it has. I do have a swap file. I use a Zyxel pcmcia wifi card in that machine. I did have problems getting the sound to work but I'm there now thanks to help I got here on the forum.

Sage · #103 Post by **Sage** » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 19:05

No takers on the RC thread, so asking again on this live one. Any ideas why my ISA sound card settings aren't retained in a FULL installation? How to fix it? Very unusual that settings don't stick for a FULL install. As explained earlier, there can be lots of advantages in using an ISA sound card with on-board amp, as well as Wary being intended for older kit.

jrb · #104 Post by **jrb** » Tue 04 Jan 2011, 20:54

BarryK wrote:For you guys who liked the video support in Quirky 1.3, I have created a PET for Wary 5.0 that combines all the necessary packages from Quirky 1.3 that will bump Xorg up to version 7.5:

http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02065

Thanks so much for this Barry. Have installed on my desktop:

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VIDEO REPORT: Wary Puppy, version 500

Chip description:
 Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Integrated Graphics Controller

Driver used by Xorg:
intel

Video mode used by Xorg:
Resolution:  Depth 24  Depth: "Display"

and it is running nicely. GoogleEarth5.2 loaded instantly and performed well. DVD's playing well.

One glitch, flashplayer in Opera is broken although its still working in Seamonkey. (Opera accesses the same libflashplayer.so, so I'm assuming it has something to do with the files that were replaced.)

amc · #105 Post by **amc** » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 00:25

Since the wifi in Puppy 5.15 Beta works on my old Vaio laptop (see post above), but the wifi in Wary 5.0 does not "associate" using this laptop, I decided to try to switch the kernel in Wary 5.0 like in this post (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60180). I was able to switch the kernels and get Wary 5.0 to boot with the 5.15 Beta kernel, but now I don't see any of the wifi drivers in the Network Manager!

Is there some other stuff (besides that detailed in the "How To" post) that I should move from 5.15 into Wary to make this work? I am not sure about what all the wifi dependencies are from one Puppy to the next.

Thanks,
-Aaron

peebee · #106 Post by **peebee** » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 09:01

amc wrote:Since the wifi in Puppy 5.15 Beta works on my old Vaio laptop (see post above), but the wifi in Wary 5.0 does not "associate" using this laptop, I decided to try to switch the kernel in Wary 5.0 like in this post (http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=60180). I was able to switch the kernels and get Wary 5.0 to boot with the 5.15 Beta kernel, but now I don't see any of the wifi drivers in the Network Manager!

Is there some other stuff (besides that detailed in the "How To" post) that I should move from 5.15 into Wary to make this work? I am not sure about what all the wifi dependencies are from one Puppy to the next.

Thanks,
-Aaron

Hi Aaron

A quick first question - if lupu works for you, why do you need to get wary working as well? Is there some feature of wary that is missing in lupu that you want?

Next can you say what your wifi setup consists of and what the exact errors you are seeing on wary?

Have you tried going through the manual steps in http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=22469 to setup the wifi on wary? This would give clues as to where the problem lies.

When you swapped kernels did you replace the /lib/network folder as described in the later posts in the topic?

This may not be the ideal thread for this discussion as it is meant to be to report bugs in wary..... if you move it elsewhere please let us know.

Cheers
Peter

chrome307 · #107 Post by **chrome307** » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 11:54

Similar problem with detecting audio card on a different PC:

However on a positive note did managed to get my i810 gfx working only after I looked for the additional package available in the reps for this card.

xf86-video-i810-2.1.1-w5.pet

Finally could not get to use my ATi gfx card, even though I tried all the additonal pets available in the rep for this brand

abushcrafter · #108 Post by **abushcrafter** » Wed 05 Jan 2011, 23:51

win (Super/Hyper/Meta) hotkeys don't work. They did in "4.3.*". To enable the win key. Set the keyboard model to "pc104". The hotkeys were set using JWM. If I use XBindkeys, I can the have win hotkeys.

amc · #109 Post by **amc** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 03:18

Hi Peter:

The reason that I wanted to try Wary is the Lupu runs kind of slow on the Vaio. I thought that Wary, since it is intended for older machines, might be a little snappier. In fact it is snapper, but it is not a fair comparison since the wifi stack is not running under Wary and it is under Lupu.

I did move the /lib/network folder as described in the thread.

You're right, this may not be the best place in the forum to discuss this. I'm new here and I was not sure what the community considers a "bug". To me, the wifi working with one recent version of puppy and not another, across multiple machines, seems like a bug. Perhaps the network stack in Wary is not intended to handle the particulars of my wifi network (hidden ESSID, WPA-TKIP). I wanted to swap the kernels mostly as a test. For what it is worth. I have tried both a USB and a PCMCIA wifi adapter with the Viao, and well as the build-in wifi on another laptop running Wary, and none of them connect to my network. So the indications are that this is not a hardware/driver problem, but something more general in the network stack.

I have not gone through the manual configuration steps. Thanks for the link, that is the next thing to try. I'll start another topic under bugs when I find something.

Thanks for the help,
-Aaron

rcrsn51 · #110 Post by **rcrsn51** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 04:39

amc wrote:The reason that I wanted to try Wary is the Lupu runs kind of slow on the Vaio. I thought that Wary, since it is intended for older machines, might be a little snappier. In fact it is snapper, but it is not a fair comparison since the wifi stack is not running under Wary and it is under Lupu.

Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

scsijon · #111 Post by **scsijon** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 05:27

chrome307 wrote: Finally could not get to use my ATi gfx card, even though I tried all the additonal pets available in the rep for this brand

did you try the xorg-high-lucid pet?

try adding it and doing this:

installing the xorg-high pet, dropping out of the x server (menu>shutdown>exit to prompt) and then typing "xorgwizard" and following the prompts >probe>set screen size (accept defaults or change to screensize wanted) and complete the setup back to a #, then type xwin. I am now set up correctly.

It fixed my radeon problem (would only allow xvesa), good glxgears too now.

regards
scsijon

DaveS · #112 Post by **DaveS** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 05:56

rcrsn51 wrote:
amc wrote:The reason that I wanted to try Wary is the Lupu runs kind of slow on the Vaio. I thought that Wary, since it is intended for older machines, might be a little snappier. In fact it is snapper, but it is not a fair comparison since the wifi stack is not running under Wary and it is under Lupu.
Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

x2

Billtoo · #113 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 18:15

I made a pet of Ltris, a falling blocks game.
Compiled and tested in Wary 5.0

Billtoo · #114 Post by **Billtoo** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 18:16

There seems to be a problem uploading anything to the forum.

It's working again,thankyou John.

rodin.s · #115 Post by **rodin.s** » Thu 06 Jan 2011, 21:35

Detailed description of the problem is here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62131
Last Wary that I can run OK on that PC is Wary-0.3. It has hda-kernel. I want to run Puppy-5.0 on that. It has sda-kernel. Is it possible to make hda-kernel for Wary-5.0?
PuppyRus-2.0 retro has such kernel (same version but with hda). But it is unstable and I like Wary more.

#116 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Fri 07 Jan 2011, 11:08

Hi Barry I compiled The latest Scribus, Its very large due to the plugins, I used a static QT 4 I compiled on 2.14X, Kind of cool that it works on Wary. The pet scribus-1.3.9-i386.pet is 213MB, lol 492MB expanded and that's after its been stripped, did you want the pet, I could upload it. If not I understand its kind or really big.
I also compiled a few other static qt apps that are pretty good.
I'll upload those later.
ttuuxxx

broomdodger · #117 Post by **broomdodger** » Fri 07 Jan 2011, 18:40

rcrsn51 wrote:Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!

Please explain the "Do NOT get Quirky 1.4".
-Bill

DaveS · #118 Post by **DaveS** » Fri 07 Jan 2011, 18:53

broomdodger wrote:
rcrsn51 wrote:Try Quirky 1.3. It is light-weight like Wary, but has a newer kernel. Do NOT get Quirky 1.4!
Please explain the "Do NOT get Quirky 1.4".
-Bill

Quirky 1.3 is (was) cutting edge. Quirky 1.4 is basically Wary with a fancy name. Personally, I dont believe it deserves a Quirky name! BUT. There are plans for a new cutting edge Quirky

BarryK · #119 Post by **BarryK** » Sat 08 Jan 2011, 08:45

ttuuxxx wrote:Hi Barry I compiled The latest Scribus, Its very large due to the plugins, I used a static QT 4 I compiled on 2.14X, Kind of cool that it works on Wary. The pet scribus-1.3.9-i386.pet is 213MB, lol 492MB expanded and that's after its been stripped, did you want the pet, I could upload it. If not I understand its kind or really big.
I also compiled a few other static qt apps that are pretty good.
I'll upload those later.
ttuuxxx

Oh man, that is big! I would not want it as a PET, but it might be ok as an SFS.

#120 Post by **ttuuxxx** » Sat 08 Jan 2011, 16:19

Here's 2 static qt apps, I'll post more tomorrow

one is called scythiaFTP, its basically a cute and simple ftp client.
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 2-i386.pet <--application
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 2-i386.pet <--docs

next is smplayer, smplayer is gui for Mplayer, so you need to have mplayer installed for this to work. This Gui is probably the best gui of all media players, its layout is nice and clean and has buttons for things like subtitles etc. Fullscreen works on jwm, if you stop the movie, set it fullscreen and then start the movie.

http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 8-i386.pet <--application
http://www.smokey01.com/ttuuxxx/Wary/So ... 8-i386.pet <--doc's

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