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Re: PPM issue

#161 Post by BarryK »

gcmartin wrote:Running LIveDVD Wary 5. SM is steady and I'm not getting any issues with anything else thus far....except for 1. PPM.
Seems after installing a couple of packages, I get a PPM Windowbox with message as follows:

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Puppy has searched for any missing 
shared libraries of the packages 
xorg_upgrade_intel-2.10.0-w5
No missing shared libraries

Puppy has examined all user-installed 
packages and found these missing 
babl gegl
what is the recommended course of action when I see this?
Thanks in advance
babl and gegl are dependencies of the gimp package. If you had installed gimp via PPM, normally the deps would also have got installed.

Solution, run PPM and install babl and gegl. Actually, babl is a dependency of gegl, so if you choose gegl in PPM then babl will also get installed.
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#162 Post by BarryK »

gerry wrote:Just upgraded Wary 104 to 500. EDIT: Booted using Wary-500 cd, pressed "Enter" whenever prompted.

Somewhere in the process, I got a screen that said (more or less):

Either uninstall Puppy2 files, or install the following deps: Click "Install" icon when after Puppy is running and has internet access.

{long list}

Well I copied the list onto a piece of paper as instructed, and after reboot clicked on install, and started the package manager, but so far as I can see, it knows nothing about all these dependencies.

Questions:

What Puppy2 files? How would I delete them? Would I miss them if I did?

If I do need these deps, how do I find them?

Could it be the pets that I have installed? The "Check dependencies of installed packages" shows nothing missing.

gerry
The upgrading code in /etc/rc.d/rc.update has been changing.

There is no support for upgrading from any of the Wary betas or RC to the 5.0 final. Try it and you will get strange results.
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#163 Post by BarryK »

DaveS wrote:
Béèm wrote:
DaveS wrote:LOL.. skiboardsonline.com still scrolls awful.
Everything else looks great so far.
Still not convinced that FireFox is bad and that SeaMonkey is ok? 8)
To the Dark Side I have gone.... Opera! Closed source... Heretic...
Beware the Inquisition :)
Yes, I tried it last week, it runs nicely.

There was one problem for me, my blog. If you bring up my blog and look at the code blocks, long lines are wrapped, overlapping and unreadable. On SM, Firefox and Internet Explorer, the long code lines do not wrap.

Code blocks should display as-is, long lines should not wrap, and even if they do they should not overlap.

Annoying, because that one bug makes Opera 11 unusable for me.
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Re: Wireless-Backlight

#164 Post by BarryK »

Frank Cox wrote:Anyway I reset the router and set the security to WEP and re- created
the pass-phrase. No luck.

Reset the router again to disabled-no security and it connected fine. Cab the driver have anything to do with this problem? Is there something I could be doing? i doubled checked the paraphrase in Lubuntu again just to be sure and it worked fine.
It might be due to the older ipw2200 driver in the "old" 2.6.31.14 kernel.

I will be bringing out a variant of Wary soon built with a more recent kernel, that might work.
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Re: compiling ffmpeg

#165 Post by BarryK »

pskin wrote:BK wrote:
As far as I can recall, the only pkgs not compiled for a 486 CPU are ffmpeg and libvpx ...but I am not sure about mplayer. These were configured for a 686 CPU as otherwise the 'configure' script wouldn't use the MMX instructions -- even though MMX was introduced with the 486. Which was annoying, maybe I could have hacked the 'configure' script.
I think that I posted some notes on how to compile ffmpeg, it can be configured for a 486 CPU and recompiled.
Barry, Thanks, I found your blog entry about configuring ffmpeg.
Am I right in thinking that I should configure it for 486 and that
I do not want to use MMX since the Vortex86MX does not support it?
Or am I mistaken and MMX is supported?

I'll have a go at remastering wary for edubook if I can get these few things compiled.

-pskin
The Vortex86mx does have the MMX instructions, but they don't use that name for legal reasons.

The problem is in the configure script of ffmpeg, it disables mmx if you choose i486. I don't know their rationale.

Anyway, choosing i486 and not using mmx is ok, probably slows video rendering a bit.
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Re: Too Much

#166 Post by BarryK »

Frank Cox wrote:I have know spent nearly a whole day trying to get the wireless to work in Wary and have come to the conclusion it is a kernel problem and there is no way to overcome it.
Hope 431 is supported a while longer.
Oh, you had the ipw2200 driver working with encryption in puppy 431 and not Wary? That is odd. I thought that it was just a case of Wary having an old kernel, but 431 has an even older kernel.

Note, there is a log of the connection attempt at:

/tmp/simple_network_setup/rc_network_wireless_connection_log

...take a look at that.
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Re: ffmpeg and libvpx on vortex86MX (gecko edubook)

#167 Post by BarryK »

pskin wrote:@Barry,
I have managed to compile the latest svn source of ffmpeg
and libvpx. I am not sure how to test these thoroughly.
I tried ffplay on a variety of formats (mpeg, .avi DivX, etc) and managed
to see the movies with sound. I got some alsa pcm underrun messages
on the console, but there seemed to be no problems with the movie.
What other formats should be tested?
How do I test the rest of ffmpeg?
(I am not even sure about what it is supposed to do.)
How do I test libvpx?

I am afraid I hardly know anything about multimedia stuff.
Any pointers from anyone are welcome.

I am not certain about mmx support in vortex86Mx but I went ahead
and configured with --enable-mmx anyway. If problems come up I'll
try changing the config.

For the ffmpeg configuration the --enable-libfaad option apparently
no longer exists since it is not needed, according to some discussion
on the ffmpeg-dev forum.

-pskin
If you test mplayer, that uses ffmpeg.

There are sites that have lots of video test files that you can download. The mplayer site has such a collection -- but I just looked, can't find it. Ah, found it!:

http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/
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Re: wary 5 on gecko (surfboard/edubook)

#168 Post by BarryK »

technosaurus wrote:
BarryK wrote:even though MMX was introduced with the 486. Which was annoying, maybe I could have hacked the 'configure' script.

Adobe Flash -- perhaps the older version 9 player would work?
Re ffmpeg on gecko: mmx was introduced after 486 - the vortexDx is a 586 without mmx or 3dnow (the newer vortexMx does have mmx though) - so it may benefit from -march=i586 -mtune=i586
Thanks for the correction. I had somehow got it stuck in my head that MMX came in with the 486.
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#169 Post by Aitch »

There seems to be some dispute about MMX, this post suggests 386MMX...

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/cpu/arch/int/instMMX-c.html

...though I, too, thought it was 486 first, as I had a 486/60mhz with MMX, though it may have been a DX2...?

more here, though maybe for a re-introduced 386....

http://www.programmersheaven.com/tags/E ... =Security&

Gosh, I feel old :oops:

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#170 Post by technosaurus »

@Aitch
& I think you misread your source
MMX defines 57 new instructions and the first significant break with forward compatibility since the introduction of the 386
one of the ways Intel saved die space for those 57 new instructions in the Pentium MMX was to share a register with the 387 fpu ... unfortunately they cannot both use it at the same time - causing lower performance due to conflicts... they could have easily added another register later but MS compatibility prevailed ... Instead the "686" or Pentium 3 and beyond have an alternative fpu called "sse" - this can be enabled separately with -mfpmath=sse

... pretty sure you didn't have a 486 with mmx either
cpuinfo would have mmx in flags
>cpu family : 4
>model name : 486 DX/4
>flags: fpu

more details about the pseudo-functions for each instruction set
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.0 ... -Functions

and how/when/why to enable them when compiling
http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.0.0 ... tions.html

anyhow - it would be safe to use -march=i586 and -mmmx and even -mtune=i686 (yes you can mismatch) but not necessarily -msse or -m3dnow

gstreamer uses a compatibility layer to interface with different cpu classes differently (orc ... used to be liboil)
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Abiword 2.8.6 crash:clik find a word previously found

#171 Post by corrisponder60329 »

Hi Friends users, I have a feedback work with Abiword. My Wary 5 boots from USB. Still in testing. Abiword chrashed when clik in menu : edit/find
a word previously found. See place the snapshot. Thank you very much. BEST REGARDS.
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#172 Post by ICPUG »

Installed Wary 5 frugally on my 1998 desktop. Two points so far:

1) The welcome screen on first boot is cut off before the bottom and cannot be scrolled - probably because I use 800x600 resolution. Wary - good for old computers - maybe not so for old eyes.

2) Clicking on a wmv file in Rox caused mplayer to load but then shut down again without playing anything.

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new version of mtpaint

#173 Post by don570 »

There's a new version of mtpaint (version 3.34.64)
https://github.com/wjaguar/mtPaint

Apparently it does scaling of document with several options
to be more convenient to user.

I haven't had time to test though.

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Solved

#174 Post by Frank Cox »

Béèm wrote:
Fank Cox wrote:I have no problems in 431 and I have rebooted and tried many times.
I can connect with no security in Wary. What can I do to fix the problem if it is the pcmia loading or usb module?
I understand from this that he has two wireless devices, a pcmcia one and an usb one which I assume is in the same PC.
Hi Beem:

The problem was solved by using Wary 060 but I was refering to 2 different laptops with different operating systems-Puppy and Lubuntu , and the same wireless card.
Thanks anyway.

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Re: Solved

#175 Post by Béèm »

Frank Cox wrote:
Béèm wrote:
Fank Cox wrote:I have no problems in 431 and I have rebooted and tried many times.
I can connect with no security in Wary. What can I do to fix the problem if it is the pcmia loading or usb module?
I understand from this that he has two wireless devices, a pcmcia one and an usb one which I assume is in the same PC.
Hi Beem:

The problem was solved by using Wary 060 but I was refering to 2 different laptops with different operating systems-Puppy and Lubuntu , and the same wireless card.
Thanks anyway.
I didn't get that from your posts.
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bug with mtpaint and wary lite

#176 Post by don570 »

I have found a bug with mtpaint and wary lite. I didn't
test the full version of Wary.

To see the bug you must go to /root/puppy-reference/vector-images/
and try to open the SVG file there with mtpaint.

You will just be given a warning message about the fle format.

Other versions of Puppy will open this file with any recent version
of mtpaint.

mtpaint documentation says that librsvg needs to installed.
Wary lite does have this though.
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mmx - ot but...

#177 Post by scsijon »

folks, off topic but had to answer.

P54C - no mmx
P55C - with mmx

AMDK5 - no mmx
AMD K6 - with mmx

Cyrix 6x86(L) or 6x86-P - no mmx
Cyrix 6x86MX - with mmx

most had a clock speed of 200meg or greater

there were even PII and P with mmx, but these were just downgraded P55C's

needed a mmx compatable motherboard though.

this is also the era when double sided ram first appeared and 16Mbit memory chips were the norm.

one free online source I use for this sort of thing is
http://www.philipstorr.id.au/pcbook/
well worth bookmarking for hardware stuff.
Although a problem when I can remember 4004's being around.

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#178 Post by jamesbond »

Wary 500 no longer does netboot properly. Booting with humongous initrd failed - it complains that it cannot find "boot partition". I tried passing "pupsfs=rootfs,rootfs,/wary_500.sfs" boot params, same error. Seems to affect puplets build with latest woof also e.g. Lupu 5.2
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urxvt too small - not readable

#179 Post by don922 »

Frugal install of Wary lite using the Lin'N'Win method on a PII 350. Internet and screen resolution all correct and working on initial boot.

The Problem:
The screen of urxvt is very small about 150mm x 90mm the lettering is less than 3mm - just too small for my old eyes. I can't read this.

I don't seem to be able to adjust this in any meaningful way. Every change of font size in .Xdefault results in a very ugly bright pink screen that runs off the monitor.

To allempt to fix this I downloaded and installed rxvt-2.6.4.2pet. Substituting rxvt for urxvt in the "Console" icon, using the .Xdefault included in Wary 5 resulted in the ugly pink screen that runs off the monitor.

I copied the .Xdefault from Puppy 4.12 which works well with rxvt in that puppy, but in Wary 5 it resulted in the ugly pink screen that runs off the monitor.

Restoring urxvt and using the .Xdefault that came with Wary I get the tiny sized urxvt and
selecting rxvt from the Menu>Utility>Rxvt gives the same tiny result.

Can the urxvt screen and lettering be enlarged? I would like background: "LightYellow"; foreground: "navy"; and font: 10x20. Alteratively, I would like to use rxvt with these same settings.

Can this be fixed? This really kills Wary for me.
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#180 Post by jamesbond »

jamesbond wrote:Wary 500 no longer does netboot properly. Booting with humongous initrd failed - it complains that it cannot find "boot partition". I tried passing "pupsfs=rootfs,rootfs,/wary_500.sfs" boot params, same error. Seems to affect puplets build with latest woof also e.g. Lupu 5.2
This is because on line 677 of /init, there is a test for PDEV1 (test will fail if PDEV1 is blank) and for netboot, PDEV1 *is* blank. If I pass a PDEV1 parameter during boot (even a fake one, like PDEV1=rootfs), boot will continue successfully.

It's rather easy to force PDEV1 to be non-blank, on line 515 which check for humongous initrd, we can just put any dummy value to PDEV1 to make it non-empty. But I don't think that's the right way to do it, because PDEV1 is used to search for pupsave as well, so we don't want to override any user-defined PDEV1 with dummy values (for scenarios like, netbooting but the pup-save is available on harddisk/usb, where correct PDEV1 is really needed).

Instead, I think it's line 677 should be modified to recognise presence of humongous initrd. Instead of

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[ "$PDEV1" = "" ] && DROPOUT="Boot partition"
it should be modified instead to

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[ "$PDEV1" = "" && "$PUPSFS" = "" ] && DROPOUT="Boot partition"
Meanwhile, for existing puppies, the workaround is to pass PDEV1 parameter during boot.
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