Saluki, Puppy Remastered

[Bert]

'Saluki is the fastest dog in the world over long distances"



I've been following this topic with much interest - and understood almost half of what has been posted..
Enough to see how great minds are at work in this thread. Some say, Puppy Devs are mere sheep, but this idea-exchange proves the opposite.

Even if there would never be a Saluki Puppy, the above discussions seem so fertile, it will almost certainly influence Puppy's future.

Thanks for sharing your ideas, jeminah, big-bass, technosaurus, and all others involved.
( back to kernel 2.6.38 now...among other great things )

[Lobster]

Thinking backwards if we had a browser and apps,
running from CD, USB, SD or RAM (no OS base) what would we have?
Or using any booted Puppy as a base what would a
Saluki browser + downloaded apps (not cloud apps) be capable of?
We have always thought Saluki should run on a processor . . .
maybe it should run on a browser . . . ?

What happened to this code?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cofio_Operating_System

Maybe there are other radical potential prototype directions . . . such as Inferno based on Plan 9?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_9_from_Bell_Labs

[noryb009]

Lobster: You mean chrome OS + some puppy stuff? That might work, but I don't think it would be a good path for puppy to go down. It would also mean you would HAVE to hook up every computer to the internet just to do some basic word processing. People who are on dial-up don't want to wait for a few minutes just to open up a word processor.

[Lobster]

It does not mean cloud computing, that is just being offered by those wishing to franchise the net.
Chromium at the moment has a component that allows its javascript apps to run offline.

Once you are browser based with HTML5 you can call a Word Processor (for example) from a central page.
So Puppy people would have a choice of Open Office, Abiword or MS Word running under Wine (for example)
It would not matter whether the Browser was running on 64 bit, Wary, or an ARM based Puppy

[Bert]

Thinking backwards if we had a browser and apps,
running from CD, USB, SD or RAM (no OS base) what would we have?

A liberating experience maybe..? A machine perfectly capable of doing Nothing at all? A quantum leap into divinely energized silence? I don't know, but I like your thinking-outside-the-box. Can we feed a browser little bits of initrd and some other homeopathy, to make it realize it is the OS it was always meant to be? Personally I doubt it, but I've learned long time ago, this crustacian is not as crazy as it looks

Or using any booted Puppy as a base what would a
Saluki browser + downloaded apps (not cloud apps) be capable of?
We have always thought Saluki should run on a processor . . .
maybe it should run on a browser . . . ?

At first sight, that sounds like unneeded overhead to me. The processor has to be there anyway. Adding the browser's cpu+ram-energy consumption to the app's energy consumption, it is not at all sure this would be an improvement in efficiency.
However the beauty could lie in the ease to install apps as just addons/extensions, freeing us from the archaic and disappointment/failure-prone repo system.

It has been said often before in these forums: we need a small 'empty' base engine, capable of running whatever we need to run on-the-fly. That's probably the vision technosaurus and goingnuts have in mind for Pupngo?
When I couple this to the exciting things coolpup started doing with portable apps (beyond sfs), it is impossible not to get excited..

Thanks for your craziness Lobster

[Lobster]

Thanks for your craziness Lobster

On behalf of my imaginary crack psychiatric team,
I thank you. They are employed to keep me on the wrong side
of sanity.

meanwhile
http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/burning-chrome/
Giiggle is turning Chrome into the ubiquitous connected
browser of the future.

However compliance with their advertising and marketing
ambitions is not part of my best interests.
The Cloud is coming
and maybe BBC Cloud or other public service utilities
will offer the best without the hard/soft sell.

I have run Firefox beta on Win 7
it is reminiscent of Chrome
The betas of Seamonkey are looking great

Puppy
Choice Linux

[Aitch]

Many commentors seem to be saying Chrome/Chromium is faster than Firefox, especially streaming video, however ChromeOS is beginning to look interesting
Open Source info here

http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os

Here's as plug for Lobster's Puppy Chrome browser info

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=55915

Aitch

[technosaurus]

Many commentors seem to be saying Chrome/Chromium is faster than Firefox, especially streaming video, however ChromeOS is beginning to look interesting
Open Source info here

http://www.chromium.org/chromium-os

Here's as plug for Lobster's Puppy Chrome browser info

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=55915

Aitch

Have you seen the size of the ChromeOS sources? There is a 1-man project that already beats them at their own game called xPUD (which is actually smaller than Puppy) You may have already seen my Puppy Web Desktop which is just a static portal page to other web apps.

I am currently quietly working on a set of cgi script functions (as part of bashbox) that will allow gtkdialog style interaction within the browser using only busybox and any browser (from dillo to webkit) - this will allow most P-apps to be ported and will be usable even from a framebuffer browser and not dependent on any specific widget toolkit ... also looking at the broadway branch (html5 backend) of gtk3 for future possibilities - the first thing I would like to do is port the internet connection wizard so that the Error page redirects you to the interactive in-browser internet connection wizard (I may need some help from Jemimah with this one if I get stuck)

[big_bass]

I havent posted here in long time

I think that I should say why
I am going a different direction than ideas that are posted here and
in the opposite direction


I am rebuilding to have official tools I replaced almost all busybox commands with
the real coreutils binaries

and I want and need to maintain a linux compatible
system that shares the greater linux community ideas and Ethics
about sharing work and and providing sources and documentation
and standard packages

and a build system that is built on sound linux practices
the same way all other major linux distros have been successful with over the years

having it small and fast is important
but maintaining linux standards are much more important


Joe

[Lobster]

The Ice Cream I mentioned here
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 965#484591
has now been sandwiched into the next Android
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/05/ ... -sandwich/

Puppy 5.3 Alpha 2 should be out today based on Woof and Slackware binaries
Dpup has been revived based on Woof and Debian binaries
Lucid and retro Lucid (based on Puppy 4.3.1 compatibility)
64 bit will be available with 5.3 and is already here with Fatdog
Barry continues the development of Woof, Wary and Quirky.
Puppeee continues its netbook development along with Fluppy.
All well documented.

Jemimah mentioned this in December of 2010

Anyone is free to post a base at any time, but Technosaurus' "mostly static" idea is most interesting to me personally, and I think it will be really solid once he gets it ready.

If BigBass has a base system ready to go with recent enough libraries to run newish applications, lets take a look!

Are we ready for a Base jump yet?

[linuxbear]

I am now using slimboat to stream video it seems to be faster than my chrome browser for watching TV shows and documentaries