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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb 2011, 16:42    Post subject:  

Hi green_dome,

playdayz's Wine works great in Lucid 5.2 and it has a fine improvement to Wine Tricks which has always been a pain to use. Please reconsider including yad and zenity in your Wine packages.

Your Wine upgrades are great and although prepared in 431, they have been working fine.

In my opinion, beginning with Lucid 5.2, the 5 series is now even more stable then the great 431. You may want to consider upgrading to a 5 series pup.

In any event, thank you for continuing to update Wine and for now your's work on all of the latest pups that I've tried.

Thanks,
Jim
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vovchik


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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb 2011, 17:28    Post subject: Keeping wine clean  

Dear green_dome,

I would not add any extraneous programs to wine. If other people want to add Yad or another pet, fine, but I would keep your package as it is (a wine package) and not a Yad or Zenity or gxmessage plus wine bundle.

Just my thoughts....

With kind regards,
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Jim1911

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb 2011, 18:31    Post subject: Re: Keeping wine clean  

vovchik wrote:
I would not add any extraneous programs to wine.
In my opinion yad or zenity are not extraneous, but are needed to make Wine Tricks usable. But possibly, you don't use Wine Tricks.
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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb 2011, 18:44    Post subject: wine tricks  

Dear Jim1911,

It is the practice in Unix/Linux not to duplicate existing packages by including all they might need if those bits are available elsewhere. Packages are kept clean in this manner. Since hundreds of programs may make use of, say, zenity, yad or gtkdialog, it would be a waste of bandwidth to supply these gui aids with each package, including wine. It would also lead to the introduction of dependencies on particular gtk versions. Yad requires a rather new gtk, whereas green_dome's wine runs on Puppy 3.01, 4.3 and 5.x. That would not be the case - particularly winetricks - if yad were supplied.

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jamesbond

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PostPosted: Wed 23 Feb 2011, 19:10    Post subject:  

I second vovchik. green_dome's wine has seen a very wide distribution, it's even repackaged for Fatdog64 ...

It's a choice between dependencies hell (where is the lib for my apps to run - missing dependencies) or dependencies hell (why after I install VLC suddenly firefox stops working - system libraries overwritten by those from the PET).

I would rather have the first kind of dependency hell than the second one. (The second one usually means I'm doomed and have to restart a new savefile).

Of course I'm talking about extreme cases and yad/zenity here won't cause such a thing, but I guess the principle still applies.

My suggestion is, leave the base package as is, and everyone else is free to re-package and distribute an "enhanced" version of it. Myself, for example, I added wine-gecko into the repackaged wine, and convert that into SFS for Fatdog64 ...

cheers!

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technosaurus


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Feb 2011, 11:49    Post subject:  

or add something like this to the pinstall.sh
Code:
[ ! "`which yad`" ] && wget http://path.to/yad.tar.gz && tar -xf yad.tar.gz -C / && rm yad.tar.gz
Note: posted from a non-nix box so syntax may need to be tweaked
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666philb


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PostPosted: Thu 24 Feb 2011, 14:51    Post subject:  

i've tried winetricks with zenity(in the PPM), but it's much better and more informative from the console(and i'm pretty new to the console). You get a download progress bar and it would seem(i may be wrong), many more options than the graphical interface. I'm glad someone pointed this out to me. Just open a console and type winetricks -h for all the options. then winetricks whatever to install

thanks for all the good work green_dome
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green_dome

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Feb 2011, 00:52    Post subject: Wine 1.3.14  

my attempt at compiling Wine 1.3.14

<http://www.wuala.com/puppylinux/version2013/wine-1.3.14_v1/>
(version 1)
stripped=true

<http://www.wuala.com/puppylinux/version2013/wine-1.3.14_v2/>
(version 2)
stripped=false

When submitting bug reports to WineHQ, it appears a non stripped Wine provides more information than a stripped Wine.
Non stripped = better for squashing bugs.

Reference: [forum post]

[Hashes]
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There are a few scripts that I find useful in creating sfs files.

One is 'pets2sfs'
[forum post] [download] [forum post]

Another is 'createsfs'
[forum post] [download]

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I compiled using puplet: Puppies 4.31.1 by forum member 'ttuuxxx'
I specifically used the files:
puppies-431.1-main-Xserver.iso
devx_430.sfs

puppies-431.1-main-Xserver.iso - [forum post] [mirror 1] [mirror 2]

devx_430.sfs - [forum post] [mirror 1] [mirror 2]

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I installed these packages before compiling:

esound-0.2.41-i486.pet [Link]
esound_DEV-0.2.41-i486.pet [Link]
fontconfig-2.7.1-i486-pup4.pet [Link]
fontconfig_DEV-2.7.1-i486-pup4.pet [Link]
gnutls+deps-2.6.6-i486.pet [Link]
gnutls+deps_DEV-2.6.6-i486.pet [Link]
jack-audio-connection-kit-0.116.1-i486.pet [Link]
jack-audio-connection-kit_DEV-0.116.1-i486.pet [Link]
libgphoto2-2.4.6-pup4.pet [Link]
libgphoto2_DEV-2.4.6-pup4.pet [Link]
mpg123-1.12.4.pet [Link]
mpg123_DEV-1.12.4.pet [Link]
openldap-2.4.13-i486.pet [Link]
openldap_DEV-2.4.13-i486.pet [Link]
xorg_xorg_full_dri-7.3.pet [Link]
xorg_xorg_full_dri_DEV-7.3.pet [Link]


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When compiling, I used
Code:
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc --localstatedir=/var --build=i486-pc-linux-gnu --x-includes=/usr/X11R7/include --x-libraries=/usr/X11R7/lib --with-x


Menu entries, Color Setter, and other stuff I got from the file 'winegoodies.tar.gz' provided by forum member 'technosaurus'.
I only made a few changes to the contents of that file.

For help with Gecko,
<http://wiki.winehq.org/Gecko>

I use the console to install packages from <winetricks>. For help with this I use
Code:
winetricks -h

source <http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-devel/2008-February/062347.html>
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Peterm321

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PostPosted: Sat 26 Feb 2011, 04:33    Post subject:  

Quote:
my attempt at compiling Wine 1.3.14


Many thanks

Cheers

Peter.
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vovchik


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PostPosted: Sun 27 Feb 2011, 05:21    Post subject: works great  

Dear green_dome,

What can I say? Works as always.

Thanks.

With kind regards,
vovchik
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fenex2004


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar 2011, 18:43    Post subject: Unexperienced Wine-drinker needs help  

Hey guys,

Still pretty new at this linux and puppy thing, so bare with me....

Just installed (via PPM) wine 1.1.43 (all default settings) on my fresh install of lupu 5.2. Set it on a 9GB frugal install. Tried to install one of my most often used Micro$haft based programs (is a 3rd party software) and keep getting a "could not open c:/users/Temp/GLFf9e.tmp" error at the start of install. I've checked the "directory" and there was no GLFf9e.tmp file there, so I made one - same result. I've not used wine before, and since VMware and VirtualBox won't even start up, I thought I'd better try.

So can you guys give me a few pointers as to what to do to try and get this program running? Is there hope? If not, any advise on VB or VMWare? (VMware tells me i'm missing Gcc 4.3.4 I d/l it but it won't install either). Any help is appreciated. thanks in advance!

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666philb


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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar 2011, 20:45    Post subject:  

hi fenex


what's the app you are trying to run?
you can search here for your app to see if you need to configure wine or install some extra things via winetricks http://appdb.winehq.org/
Note: not everything works in wine

Which is where vm's come in, on lucid 520 vmware needs the hal-0.5.15-i386.pet from
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62492
and you will also need the kernel.sfs this is what i used(it worked)
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/pet-packages-lucid/kernel_src_L4-2.6.33.2-patched.sfs
(different puppy versions will need there own kernel version)

i use the virtualbox.sfs and i believe it should just work on a fresh install.. i'll check

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PostPosted: Fri 04 Mar 2011, 23:05    Post subject:  

Hey 666philb,

Thanks for the links. It's a reload program called "Load from Disk" - 3rd party from about 4 years ago I think. I checked the list (course it wasn't there, but i tried Smile )

Found the VirtualBox thread and downloaded the 4.04 pet. it works fine, takes alittle ram power i don't really have, but other than that is working good.

I'll try getting those pets for VM. I use VM on my Win machine to test pup burnsand it works good there. Was hoping I could get it working on pup too. Can never have enough virtual machines hehe.

Thanks again m8 for the help!

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vovchik


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PostPosted: Wed 16 Mar 2011, 09:56    Post subject: wine 1.3.15  

Dear green_dome,

I know this isn't really news, but wine 1.3.15 has been released. The url is: http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.15. Any chance?

With thanks in advance and kind regards,
vovchik
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PostPosted: Sun 20 Mar 2011, 17:40    Post subject:
Subject description: wine 1.3.16 released
 

Dear green_dome,

We have a new release (http://www.winehq.org/announce/1.3.16), and there seem to be some significant improvements. Care to have a look?

With thanks in advance and kind regards,
vovchik
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