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Re: Is Puppy 431 Dead

#21 Post by rerwin »

l2ulinux, et. al. wrote:I to would love to see a NEW release of Puppy 431. I love to use the 431 version myself over the newer releases. I posted once before was Puppy 431 dead.
Please if you are someone else does do it. Please let me know.
I concur that puppy 4.3.1 can be useful to many and should be maintained to stay relevant. I don't see any mention here of my effort to keep 4.3.1 vital. My thread does not appear to be updated, because I maintain it by editing a set of postings by subject. Please check it out and consider using it as a central place to start customized upgrades.

Simplified Puppy 4.3.1/4.3.2 Upgrade Center:
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 889#483889

My initial goal was a single package to update 4.3.1 with all of my modem and modprobe improvements to keep puppy robust. It has grown from there. I continue to keep that package updated as I make further refinements (currently to support Lucid, but to be back-ported to the 4.3.1 upgrade package soon).

My intent is to add more "essential" updated package groups and a list of links to applications that will "just work". I am open to adding a section (posting) for the more daring upgrades like seamonkey and dependencies, but would rely on the more knowledgeable of you to advise on its content.

Let's continue discussion about it here, so as to leave that thread as an unintimidating resource. I look forward to working with all of you.

BTW, I do not care to create an entire new version of 4.3.1, and all that that entails, so am trying to make it easy to construct an improved 4.3.1. But I can support anyone caring to take on that project.
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#22 Post by rjbrewer »

In order to easily save video streams it is necessary for me to
use a newer Puppy like Wary or Luci.

If not for that issue, I would still be using 4.xx only.

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#23 Post by ttuuxxx »

I'm talking to rerwin about this topic.
Stay tuned :)
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#24 Post by ttuuxxx »

Ok it looks like its a go for this weekend as a start,
I'm not going to use woof, I'm going to manually edit the sfs and build the iso's.
The starting base is http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... up-431.iso <-- iso
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... vx_431.sfs <-- devx
For this project to work we will need dedicated people willing to go above and beyond the call of duty, Why you may ask? Because that's what I do, and if I don't feel like its a worthwhile project, why would I waste time going any further with it.
I don't play around with wireless, so if there are any wireless pro's out there, speakup.
Basically what I will do is provide an updated base that modern versions of seamonkey/firefox will work on.
Plus I'll update the "P" applications, I don't see a need to update things like geany,mtpaint, etc because they are very stable as they are and usually later versions are larger in file size. Lets keep this release small as possible.
I'll change the calulators, icons, etc clean up the looks and games maybe.
after that I think we should be ok. What do you guys think.
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#25 Post by wuwei »

Sounds good ttuuxxx.

I am using an installation of your wonderful 432V3 for a long time now. Even managed to have Firefox 4.0 on /mnt/home plus Flash and the latest Java and additionally the newest Thunderbird. Surely you will know how to improve things, but it performs mighty good already.
Too bad the download link in this thread doesn't work anymore
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=54082

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#26 Post by Dingo »

Can I suggest to add my package of

graphicsmagick-1.3.12 ?
- http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63437

it performs the same tasks of imagemagick but it is speeder and lighter in size

I tried to compile also the latest Pan (support for face added and more) but after unsuccessful attempts in Puppy 3.01
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65546

I had other problems trying to compile in Puppy 4.3.1

mupdf viewer
- http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 948#504948

can be the default pdf viewer for pdf from browser, integrating the patch posted by our technosaurus

serious networking problems (unable to connect) with my wireless adapter NETGEAR WG311v3 are worth of investigation, in fact this adapter works without pain in 3.01, 4.2.1 and in Puppy classic 2.14 Top5 (but not in top7) via ndiswrapper, but in ant Puppy version higher than 4.2.1, no way to go online
replace .co.cc with .info to get access to stuff I posted in forum
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#27 Post by ttuuxxx »

Dingo wrote:Can I suggest to add my package of

graphicsmagick-1.3.12 ?
- http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=63437

it performs the same tasks of imagemagick but it is speeder and lighter in size

I tried to compile also the latest Pan (support for face added and more) but after unsuccessful attempts in Puppy 3.01
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=65546

I had other problems trying to compile in Puppy 4.3.1

mupdf viewer
- http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 948#504948

can be the default pdf viewer for pdf from browser, integrating the patch posted by our technosaurus

serious networking problems (unable to connect) with my wireless adapter NETGEAR WG311v3 are worth of investigation, in fact this adapter works without pain in 3.01, 4.2.1 and in Puppy classic 2.14 Top5 (but not in top7) via ndiswrapper, but in ant Puppy version higher than 4.2.1, no way to go online
Hi dingo
mupdf is 533kb and doesn't have a gui, I did compile that over a year ago on 4 series its on the forum somewhere :) But the size of it is too large, for that file size I could add Evince, last time I compiled it was 485.25 KB and it opens pdf, comic ,svg, tiff, impress ,jpg, png. But it does add an additional 200-300kb in deps, like gconf,orbit, but then I could add Gcaltool which is way better of a calculator than galculator, because it needs those deps also. Also FileRoller uses those deps.
But for now I'll have to focus on the backend first :)
ttuuxxx

Oh ya that mupdf from the link you posted 533kb pet on 2.14X also, just had to make a system-link on ibjpeg.so.6 to libjpeg.so.7 :)
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#28 Post by Dingo »

Another Things I thing, in long term, it is to begin to think to ipv6 support. I seen ipv6 module it is not in Puppy 4.3.1 kernel, but is is present in kernel sources
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#29 Post by ttuuxxx »

Dingo wrote:Another Things I thing, in long term, it is to begin to think to ipv6 support. I seen ipv6 module it is not in Puppy 4.3.1 kernel, but is is present in kernel sources
Have a look at some of the apps that don't support it, like mysql
http://www.deepspace6.net/docs/ipv6_sta ... _apps.html
it also says all Linux 2.6 includes a robust IPv6-enabled IPSEC stack derived from the USAGI Project IPSEC stack.
Might of been the apps you were testing.
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#30 Post by Dewbie »

tlchost wrote:
Yet another piece of abandonware. Amazing how we turn our backs upon things that work.
True, but we have to remember that ttuuxxx already has a lot on his plate with 2.14x...

Also, does anybody know what happened to the 4.4 that Technosaurus was working on a while ago?

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#31 Post by green_dome »

I certainly appreciate the hard work done by ttuuxxx. I have been using Puppies 4.31.1 [1] for quite some time. I use it to compile Wine. That iso is still available [2].


[1] http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 245#342245
[2] http://www.wuala.com/puppylinux/version ... n-Xserver/

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#32 Post by efiguy »

Hello group,

- Can test with 1-dell, 2-ibm laptops and a Ibm 300GL desktop, and some HP p4 and p3

- Like to Pretty Please ask, ttuuxxx, if possible - to have a Hdrv install use "Ram or NoRam" mode.

Thanks a Bunch,
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get facts right?

#33 Post by sickgut »

hi don992, regards this:
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don922 wrote:What am I missing? In this thread, about bringing back Puppy 4.31, everyone is ignoring Puppy 4.3.2-SCSI 2.6.30.5 full older modem support. http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewto ... 886#451886

There was a Puppy 4.32 project, but ttuuxxx replaced it with Puppy 4.3.2-SCSI 2.6.30.5 full older modem support.

Am I misunderstanding something? It seems to me that this thread is rumbling along without knowing all the facts!
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This thread was started by Hideho and is about Hideho telling people and asking people about Puppy 4.3.1 and "bringing it back"

If the thread was actuall about Puppy 432 then im sure people would comment on it etc but its not, its about 4.3.1

So i dont know why you think people dont have their facts right as Puppy 432 isnt a fact that has anything to do with "bringing back Puppy 431. Using the same logic in your post, I could claim that people dont have their facts right because there is a newer Puppy 525 released now and ask: "Doesnt everybody realize that?"

Bringing back/ upgrading 4.3.1 upgrading it and re-releasing it is not doing the same as bringing back Puppy 432, just as it is nothing to do with bringing back any other Puppy version other than 4.3.1

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#34 Post by HiDeHo »

ttuuxxx wrote: Ok it looks like its a go for this weekend as a start,
I'm not going to use woof, I'm going to manually edit the sfs and build the iso's.
The starting base is http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... up-431.iso <-- iso
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/dis ... vx_431.sfs <-- devx
ttuuxxx would you consider using this. Bigmike has his first 431 based os called Bruno pup. http://puppylinuxnews.org/puplets/bruno ... ed-on-431/ His general idea is to make it user friendly out of the box. which in the most part it is. After talking to him he would like to update it but he did say if it was going to be as much work as Sickgut says earlier in this forum then he may not do it. can you look into Bruno pup and see if that may be a good place to start.

I dont have the skills to do allot of the things needed and i know if i started this project myself i would not be able to do it properly. due to how i am. so if ttuuxxx would like to do it great. but you do what you feel is best.

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Re: get facts right?

#35 Post by HiDeHo »

sickgut wrote: This thread was started by Hideho and is about Hideho telling people and asking people about Puppy 4.3.1 and "bringing it back"

If the thread was actuall about Puppy 432 then im sure people would comment on it etc but its not, its about 4.3.1

So i dont know why you think people dont have their facts right as Puppy 432 isnt a fact that has anything to do with "bringing back Puppy 431. Using the same logic in your post, I could claim that people dont have their facts right because there is a newer Puppy 525 released now and ask: "Doesnt everybody realize that?"

Bringing back/ upgrading 4.3.1 upgrading it and re-releasing it is not doing the same as bringing back Puppy 432, just as it is nothing to do with bringing back any other Puppy version other than 4.3.1
exactly this is what i am asking. but i did mention about continuing on from 431 track updating it and making a new distro like the pup431-puppeee-fluppy has been doing. i wonder if the devs of fluppy could provide anything that may help with an update of 431.

My original idea was to just see if 431 could have new apps for it.

one way could be to provide an update package that has all the needed libs for updating to newer apps. that can be installed or removed as needed. without the need for the lengthly process that sickgut himself says is needed. This is done with the now far removed pup Lighthouse. they provide an addon .sfs for the bass install with all the things needed.

this would be tha simple way for any 431 based os to be updated with the newer apps.and also it would be a great way to easily update a 431 install on usb. having a 431 on usb is a great thing. works on more Computers.

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#36 Post by vtpup »

Ya know, all that's been asked is a stable basic occasionally bug fixed version of 4.3x software.

A year ago I went and committed all our comps here to "4.3.2 test v3", which was supposed to be just that. Nothing fancy, just a dependable stable supported version of 4.3x.

Then it was dropped. A supposedly long term dependable puppy linux had a life of about a few months.

And then a "new" 4.3.2 with bugs and new stuff was begun. Totally confusing same version number for a different OS. And so defeating the entire reason for the original concept, and stranding those who commited to it and believed it was going to be there for the count.

Okay so what's different now? Yet another bugfixed stable long term what --- 4.3.1? -- adding even more confusion to this version numbering system.

Will this replace one of the 4.3.2s as the latest and greatest retro for a few months until 4.3.0 comes along?

The point is, many of us want a stable reasonably secure system, not a system which requires constantly upgraded re-installs with different software, new bugs, different kernels, and a long period of adapting to our everyday use and hardware peculiarities.

Right now I'm trying to figure out just what devx I should use with our current 4.3.2 v3. Should I use the one from the new 4.3.2? 4,3,1? and which of the various devx's for those. Or is a devx for 4.3.2 v3 even available anymore?

Sorry, to seem negative -- I'm all for this concept of a stable 4.3.x and would be happy to support with testing as I have with other efforts in the past. But even here, again we are seeing suggestions for feature creep, and using confusing version number suggestions, and I think, yet another dead end for something simple, dependable and long term.

Okay, sorry, positive suggestions to move things in the right direction:

Get rid of 4.3.2 designations altogether, re-name those software efforts and call them Modpuppy 4.3x or something similar, since that's what they are, new puplets, not 4.3.x anything. This will prevent confusion with the effort here.

Now, call this new proposed version 4.3.1.1 or even 4.3.3 and for heaven's sake don't change kernels. And get Barry's imprimateur on it as THE official 4.3.x. latest.

Keep this as a single continual 4.3 lineage, not a bunch of parallel latest and greatest 4.3 forks, and not a parallel line of development to new 5.x-10.x or alternative puplet software.

We will then have what apparently has been asked by many, and attempted several times already without real success, despite much programming effort already.

Keep the goal in mind.

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#37 Post by efiguy »

Hi group,

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A year ago I went and committed all our comps here to "4.3.2 test v3", which was supposed to be just that. Nothing fancy, just a dependable stable supported version of 4.3x.
end quote

- I've had similar circumstances in work environment so can certainly empathize, But believe that any work on Puppy is worthwhile, just like this thread has come "alive" it is going to spark interest toward the "V3" also, all of these 4 series are too good to be forgotten.

- Also wasn't this about the time the "Ca" host provider erased all the puppy files???, if I was a suspicious sole, might think it was MS behind a curtain pulling some monetary leverage strings. !!!Gosh we could by you some new servers, IF only this wasn't on them!!!

- If anybody laments all the poorly described names, lack of kernel designations, descriptions of what it does, comparisons to anything previous - etecra that would be ME, but as a "DUH" doze refugee-
It is a "Trivial Price to Pay" for the truly miraculous system of any PUPPY.

- However, at this point of time would probably vote to not rename most of the series, unless it includes kernel + full date of release- a.k.a.:
431v2_26305_04112011.iso

Thanks all,
Jay

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#38 Post by Bligh »

+1 here is another 4.3.1 fan. will be watching this thread to see how this works out.
Cheers

Dewbie

#39 Post by Dewbie »

efiguy wrote:
Also wasn't this about the time the "Ca" host provider erased all the puppy files???
See my link on page 1 of this thread. Many of them have been moved there.

Also, perhaps Abiword and Gnumeric should be stripped from an updated 4.3.1 to reduce its size and to allow us to install newer, stand-alone .pet packages without the duplication.

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#40 Post by nooby »

A total newbie view or perspective on doing Puppy 431.

I remember vaguely I did an install on an USB and it failed on my Acer D250 and the one that worked best was Fluppy and maybe that one are almost 431 but with more drivers and KILLRF and other things added that my Acer needed.

So if Puppy don't work on my Acer that is a much sold product then it is better to use Fluppy than 431. Fluppy also worked on my Desktop so it is a good OS that Jemimah has done.

So if there is a need for Puppy 431 then it should learn from the knowledge that Jemimah did put into Fluppy.
I use Google Search on Puppy Forum
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