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vtpup


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PostPosted: Mon 11 Apr 2011, 15:03    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:
Not really my vision. It is where firms like Nokia are heading
http://youtu.be/IX-gTobCJHs

I really would need USB for my mouse and keyboard
on existing tablets (part of the time)



Just kidding about the vision, Lobster.

Re. the other, I've found that carrying a USB mouse and keyboard around with a tablet then plugging in cords, etc, is much less handy than just bringing a laptop with no cords. There's no space savings with tablet plus components, and the screen resolution/acreage is much poorer

Also the tablet then needs to stand up on its own since it is designed to be hand held and punched with an finger. Viewing angle is not great lying flat on a table -- especially with a keyboard and mouse in front of it.

I can get to work, on serious stuff, in a coffeeshop for instance, much faster and easier on a laptop than on a tablet with mouse and keyboard, etc.

Even one of those roll-up rubber keyboards.

I'm not knocking tablets, but they are best as just tablets. I'll be keeping my notebook.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr 2011, 00:09    Post subject:  

Quote:
I'm not knocking tablets, but they are best as just tablets. I'll be keeping my notebook.


Smile
We are moving towards different devices but expecting a common
or generic interface.

So for example, Puppy has two or three screens
with the same icons on all

By offering apps, coms and config
or whatever is the norm, on smartphones on separate desktops
we move towards an expected outcome

Pencils and notebooks no matter the diversity
have a commonality.

My feeling is we should be developing a look and feel familiar
to smartphone users, rather than sticking with legacy Windows
familiarity.

Simplicity is the key.
Puppy manuals should only be required by developers
and for complex tinkering.
If I have to learn how to use a tablet. phone, OS or application
it is already obsolete as simpler solutions evolve.
. . . must keep taking the tablets . . . Wink

Puppy adaptation
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr 2011, 21:31    Post subject:  

i agree Lobater -- example: Opera on Android on the tablet has some really convenient tablet oriented features -- the menu of bookmarks for instance is composed of graphic icons made from a thumbnail snapshot of the page you were on when you bookmarked it. So it isn't a drop down list, it's a page of a matrix of images, and you select the site by clicking on the picture of the site. Looks like a photo proof sheet -- if you're old enough to remember those Wink

I was thinking that we ought to get rid of computers and monitors -- who needs the box-- actually and focus on keyboards. We really need those.

Just put the CPU in the keyboard, and use a pop-up pod to project an image onto the desktop. The physical one, that is. Or a blank piece of paper on it maybe. Course you can "plug" into a similarly smart monitor via IR or wireless, etc, if need be.

Drives ought to be smart and wireless, too.
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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr 2011, 22:24    Post subject:  

Very Happy Hello,
Heck, lets get rid of the keyboard too...
Something like this???


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PostPosted: Tue 12 Apr 2011, 22:43    Post subject:  

Laughing Mold some key bumps on the table.

Wait, how about something edible with bumps, so when you're done you can have lunch.

keyboard pizza with strategically placed pepperoni, or a heat resistant chocolate bar with 102 pieces, ya know something like that....

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr 2011, 06:44    Post subject:  

Interesting guys Smile

Edible computers are some way off. However the concept is sound and may be possible when organic computers and nanotechnology are integrated. I look forward to the day when I can spray a plate of nutritious vegetables with instantly programmed 'taste nanobytes' that add a flavour of choice.

Organic nanotechnology should be fun. Shocked

ahem . . . back to the future . . .

In the shorter term I will start looking seriously at an Android smart phone
perhaps capable of running this suggestion from Nooby
http://www.cyanogenmod.com/

Windows is a closed, legacy, hugely influential but collapsing behemoth
RIP.

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr 2011, 17:17    Post subject:  

tronkel wrote:
Bernie_by_the_Sea wrote:

Discovery:

Why is it that when I type in the name of the latest Apple tablet in a forum message , the text gets automatically replaced with an expletive??? I'm not kidding either - try it. Do the Mods know about this?


"ipad" ipad ipad ipad ipad ipad Very Happy This is fun!

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr 2011, 18:01    Post subject:  

mickee wrote:
tronkel wrote:
Bernie_by_the_Sea wrote:

Discovery:

Why is it that when I type in the name of the latest Apple tablet in a forum message , the text gets automatically replaced with an expletive??? I'm not kidding either - try it. Do the Mods know about this?


"piece of crap" piece of crap piece of crap piece of crap piece of crap piece of crap Very Happy This is fun!


Da Mods did it. Smile

I think the name has to be changed to I-pad?

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr 2011, 19:05    Post subject:  

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Why is it that when I type in the name of the latest Apple tablet in a forum message , the text gets automatically replaced with an expletive??? I'm not kidding either - try it. Do the Mods know about this?


We are spammed by bots trying to up their google rank
Spam for I-pad, vi-agra and other such commercial junk posting is moved to a hidden part of the forum with the changes that now link their URL's on Google with slightly different search terms . . .

We are geeks. We know stuff
We are part of the solution.
Cool

Meanwhile . . .
I hope I can hold out for a few more months
and get something like this tablet running Honeycomb
http://www.storageoptions.com/products/scroll/scroll-8

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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr 2011, 21:24    Post subject: Keyboard
Subject description: Classic Clunker (Resurrection!)
 

Here you go 'fellas'. Wink
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64.aspx
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PostPosted: Wed 13 Apr 2011, 23:36    Post subject:  

Lobster wrote:

We are geeks. We know stuff
We are part of the solution.
Cool


Aha! A Trekker!

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PostPosted: Thu 14 Apr 2011, 03:45    Post subject:  

Hi - Lobster

(In the shorter term I will start looking seriously at an Android smart phone
perhaps capable of running this suggestion from Nooby)

How about this for £20.00

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/pay-as-you-go/t-mobile-pulse-mini-pink/

Sadly only in Pink. but can be easily rooted.

HTH - best regards - Ray
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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 06:39    Post subject:  

http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/pay-as-you-go/t-mobile-pulse-mini-pink/

. . . one year on . . .
I ended up paying an extra £10 for a black version, with Internet connectivity for 6 months. I use it as a mobile mini computer, pic taking etc.
I also got an Ipad retina display. Just could not resist the power of Apple marketing and E-ink is taking too long to get to market . . .

Presently trying to get Puppy running on an emulated ARM processor . . .
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=619027#619027

It is interesting to use these emerging technologies and how they apply to Puppy.
I am also surprised at how I use a pad.
Messages are very short - curt almost. I don't like typing on it. Even though it has an excellent keyboard and very good voice recognition.
10 hour battery life is too short (much to my surprise).
Android I felt was very compromised, not much security and the stuff that helps protect is mostly for show.
However Android will and is improving. For example Apple recently added the notification bar first seen in Android.
PARM is our way into tablets and phones.
We want it. We create it.
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/PARM Cool

Barry is already working on ARM one stage beyond the Raspberry Pi
http://bkhome.org/blog/?viewDetailed=02766

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PostPosted: Thu 12 Apr 2012, 16:05    Post subject:  

I recently bought an Android tablet to replace my dieing N800 as an e-reader. I also plan to cut the TV cable soon and setup a computer as a media center which will tie to the 'net. I haven't settled as to using Puppy or Mythbuntu as an OS, but the 7" tablet will also be used as a remote control to stream audio and video throughout my little home. The basic setup is intended to be Android controls media PC which streams media to two stereos and a mobile phone. The media center will also be connected to the TV. The media PC will also serve as a remote data server, but that is the easiest part of the project.
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PostPosted: Sat 14 Apr 2012, 11:46    Post subject:  

Just reread this thread, hadn't even remembered I'd posted here earlier!

My Android tablet (I was an early adopter) is gathering dust -- hasn't been used in months. In fact just bought a new laptop. Thanks netbooks and tablets for forcing the prices of a good laptop down!!

I spend a lot of time writing documents and doing 3D Cad on the go, in a cafe, or on a jobsite. Or for that matter on the couch. Sitting upright, of course -- if I wanted to lie down and do CAD, well I can't imagine it.

Absolutely pointless to do what I do with less than a 15" screen, plus a keyboard that doesn't insert itself on my image or document plus a good touchpad that isn't also part of the screen.

If I ever do go on a vacation, I'll probably use the tablet. But I don't think one will replace the other. They do different things. One is a high res technical work device. One is an entertainment and messaging device. What's the big deal about coexistance?

I have a big stove, a toaster oven, and a microwave. They don't threaten to eliminate each other, either.

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