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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 07:09    Post_subject:  Existing wiki
Sub_title: lets make it less ugly...
 

We have a wiki. It may not be perfect, but it's accessible and it's one of the first places new users look. There's some good stuff on there, and some that needs work. I try to do my bit now and then, and if more people did so it would grow into a current source of information everyone can be proud of.

Why start a new wiki? We just need new information. Where it's stored isn't that important. The official wiki seems like a good place to me.

Unfortunately, the wiki is a little ugly. In my opinion, anyway. The blue/green at the top is not a very attractive shade, and makes the search box hard to see. Light gray like the default is better, and plain white would look even better.

Giving headers and subheades a colour improves the appearance of pages by a LOT; the green in the styleguide looks really nice. However, formatting text to be the right color should NOT be the job of whoever is editing the page. CSS stylesheets can be used to automatically format all the pages in a single consistent way. It would take just one line of CSS, which is already implemented on the wiki, to format all the headers nicely. Right now. Easy.

If the above sounds good to anyone other than myself, who can make this happen?

EDIT: I just noticed, the mouseover effect on the front page is also not very professional. And there is a broken link on the front page. I wanted to fix it, but don't have editing permission!! What's up with that?!

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 07:37    Post_subject:  

I had a look at the current style sheet. It's already been edited by someone to change to colour of the header, so we have someone capable of doing this.

In the file
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/templates/default/css/wikka.css

There is a section:
Code:

/* text formatting */

h1, h2, h3, h4, h5 {
   font-family: Georgia, "DejaVu Serif", Times, serif;
   font-weight: normal;
   margin: 0px;
   padding: 0px;
}


Juse one little change needed!
Code:

/* text formatting */

h1, h2, h3, h4, h5 {
   font-family: Georgia, "DejaVu Serif", Times, serif;
   font-weight: normal;
   margin: 0px;
   padding: 0px;
   color: green;
}


It's a good place to start!

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 10:32    Post_subject:  

page index should be multi-column [thus shorter]

body should be that pale blue, or white [change pale blue part to white too], header needs more contrasting colors [dk blue/white text has been overdone but still reads well . . .]

i clicked on "adobe flashplayer" and got a page that said "see flashplayer" WHY? just link to the correct page

my 2 or 3 cents . . .

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 14:36    Post_subject:  

New Wikka 1.3.1 wiki software is available and it is up to Raffy to implement
and perhaps provide a new theme, which I hope he will Cool
http://docs.wikkawiki.org/WikkaThemes

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 18:28    Post_subject:  the wiki announcement can be better!  

What is the really main page of the Puppy community?

I did consider till now that it is this page:

http://puppylinux.com !

Is my opinion wrong?

My question concerning this page is:

Why no mention of some Puppy wiki on it

and no mention of it in the head line of this forum

as well as no mention of it here:

http://puppylinux.com/info.htm .

The subdivision «community news» points on:

http://www.puppylinux.org/wikka/LatestNews

and

this page seems to be an old main page of an old probably abandoned wiki Question

and links to

http://puppylinuxnews.org/

and this page seems to be a kind of press presentation but not explicitly a wiki, or, if a wiki, a kind of restricted wiki Question !

I would recommend to better adapt the access to this first kind of systematic help for users!

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 18:44    Post_subject:  Categories  

In a wikka wiki the optimized choice of categories in good levels is determinant to make the use really easy.

In the first level, it is necessary to use the criterion «language» to separate with 2 chars the languages if languages are used.

in the second level, it seems necessary in my opinion to follow about the order of the forum. so can find each user the stuff that he did meet or search in the forum!

Example:

Following the order in the forum, infos in English about «ext4» or «reiser» would have to be in the subcategory:

Code:
en:at:as:filesystem:Ext4


or

Code:
en:at:as:filesystem:File_systems_supported_by_Puppy




(first letter of each titel word in the forum is enough to identify clearly the category and build very compact url's! Compact url are really better if used intensively in the texts!)
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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 19:37    Post_subject: done  

106498 wrote:
Just one little change needed!

Done - thanks for the suggestion.

Oui, the help like what you offer is welcome. If you already have a wiki account, I can make you co-admin.

And the news site is multi-user, too. Some people like to publish news stories, so they register in the news site and I make them editors. Other people are happy staying with the wiki. (I had to transfer the news site because of bandwidth overload.)

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 21:35    Post_subject:  

@Raffy: That's looking much better already!

I changed the categories page to use columns, it appears this is not possible on the index page, but this has alphabetical links, which decrease the need to scroll around

In reply to oui, you don't need to have any special priveleges to create categories, so you can do this if you like. I'm not sure following the forum layout is a good idea though.

ALSO: Wiki user coolpup added a page:
NuclearContaminationProtectionTreatment

This seems like a very inappropriate page for the Puppy wiki! To make things worse, he has disabled editing, and comments. Someone please remove this.

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PostPosted: Fri 15 Apr 2011, 21:47    Post_subject:  

Lobster wrote:
New Wikka 1.3.1 wiki software is available and it is up to Raffy to implement
and perhaps provide a new theme, which I hope he will Cool
http://docs.wikkawiki.org/WikkaThemes

Out of those themes the default, in my opinion, is still the best. Some small colour changes would improve it though. Is there really any need to upgrade to the latest? This seems to work fine.

Lobster, would you please consider making the homepage editable by everyone. It is a wiki, and restricting access also decreases the chance of up to date information being present. It kind of defeats the point of using a wiki in the first place.

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Apr 2011, 04:06    Post_subject:  

Hi, oui, please check your inbox, as I sent you a private message.

EDIT: OK, it seems like I'm the only one talking here. But I see a problem. oui has been doing a lot of stuff on the wiki. To me it makes no sense. It is hard to follow. It makes it difficult. And is not using the strengths of a wiki.

Please, oui, can you explain what you are doing. This is a wiki, it is all about helping eachother. No-one can help you, because no one knows what you are doing!

I know you are putting a lot of work into organising the wiki, which is why I feel bad criticizing you. But I really think you should discuss such big changes with whoever is also interested first.

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PostPosted: Mon 18 Apr 2011, 18:10    Post_subject:  

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