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#41 Post by nooby »

Wow thanks indeed I have to test that one ASAP Today for sure :)

Love that you felt for improving on it. Hope it is okay if I ask.

1. How does one know how big pupsavefile one need then at first set up?
2. Does it still work best on puppy431 and its derivatives or does it work on lupu525 too?
3. Does each sfs that one want to use have to be compiled for that kernel? It fails if one mixes kernels?
4. Would it not be great to have a pet2sfs maker or an easy to follow
description how to do it using make pet into Dir and then Dir2sfs ?
One often have the pet but not the sfs
5. Can I take a TCZ file and rename it to .SFS and then it works here?

Now I have to find which puppy derivate that is based on Puppy 431 and not on Lupu.

Wary and Quirky? LHP? Fluppy?

Edit

I am in Fluppy13 that is based on Puppy431 as I rememberand I am using both your sfs-exec and your sfs-exec-pupsave


But most likely I did things in wrong order?

One should install the sfs-exec first before one shut down first?
And one should reboot using pfix=ram the first reboot?
and only Then install the sfs-exec-pupsave so it is not mounted and functional?

I was lazy an unsure in what order to do things so I installed both program and once and then rebooted with pfix=fsck to repair any damage I may do buy shutting down with Hard reboot power button.

I can do sfs-exec and then remove that SFS okay. and the Save button does save other things like what History I had on Midori.

So your pet seems to work. Puppy 431 and wary though I fail to use due it fail to find a driver for my LAN card. And Fluppy is a better OS for my computer that is a Netbook anyway. It has RFKILL and other such.

So can you confirm that one should not install sfs-exec-pupsave before one has rebooted first time? First reboot once and then install sfs-exec-pupsave and then reboot?

Can one now when you have the sfs-exec-pupsave boot with pfix=fsck or must one still use pfix=ram? that sounds not logical because then it think I start anew?
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#42 Post by Jasper »

Hi seaside,

I have tried your latest version on my frugal hard drive installation of Lucid Puppy v 5.25.

I am very pleased to say that it was easy to install and it is easy to use with really fast loading and instantaneous unloading of sfs files.

I will have to reread this thread as I have not yet properly understood the/any inter-relationship with my normal save file, but I have not had any problem.

My regards and thanks

There is a massive speed improvement over the other useful and reliable sfs systems I have tried, so this seems like a big step forward and I wish you every success.

MultiPup CD/DVD Creator from puppyluvr and CatDude may also benefit as sfs files can be placed in a separate directory on set-up (so this may be an equally fast sfs addition or alternative to portable Linux programs).

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#43 Post by nooby »

Jasper which puppy did you test it on and in what order did you do the install.

Did you first install the sfs-exec and not the sfs-exec-pupsave andthen make a pupsave and then reboot and installe the sfs-exec-pupsave file or did you install both of them before you made the first reboot.

Maybe Idid it wrong order .I am bad at getting written text.
I tested on Fluppy.

Seaside. A kind of bug that is annoying.
I loaded a FF 4.07 FireFox and it had a scrip going when I made use of the unloader. That made it kind of locked and I had to do a restart of X to get sfs unloader to be normal again. So it is annoying but not fatal.
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#44 Post by seaside »

nooby wrote:
1. How does one know how big pupsavefile one need then at first set up?
Depends on the size of the programs you want installed in the pupsave file. I use the minimum size, but you may need more, and I like to leave an extra 25mb for expansion.
2. Does it still work best on puppy431 and its derivatives or does it work on lupu525 too?
I Haven't tested it on anything other than 431 and lupu510 and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't work on any of the latest pups.
3. Does each sfs that one want to use have to be compiled for that kernel? It fails if one mixes kernels?
The SFS should be version 4 for all of latest pups
4. Would it not be great to have a pet2sfs maker or an easy to follow
description how to do it using make pet into Dir and then Dir2sfs ?
I believe these tools already exist - check user Trio's pets
5. Can I take a TCZ file and rename it to .SFS and then it works here?
Yes.
So can you confirm that one should not install sfs-exec-pupsave before one has rebooted first time? First reboot once and then install sfs-exec-pupsave and then reboot?
Install SFS-Exec.pet and SFS-Exec-pupsave.pet and then save using the desktop "Save-pup" icon. You need to save what you've just installed.
JASPER: Thanks for your kind feedback. Just bear in mind that the only way to save to the pupsave file is by using the Save-pup desktop icon :)

Cheers,
s

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#45 Post by nooby »

Seaside thanks for the detailed answer. I am a curious guy so I tested both.
and both worked. Not sure what the difference are. have no idea which one is best but they both did work. Surprising.

I am back in first test now and that is the best then as you understand it and you do know more than what I do.

The good thing is how fast they load and that the savefile only get changed when I want it too.

But when one use Firefox or some other broswer do they really remember settings and such. They do remember history though :) So maybe I did something wrong I test more tomorrow.

Many thanks for this way to do sfs. I like it very much. has waited some years for this. Sad that not many more test it. But it is Friday or Saturday an people are with family. So next week people want to test.
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#46 Post by seaside »

nooby wrote: But when one use Firefox or some other broswer do they really remember settings and such.

Perhaps better to have the ".mozilla" directory linked somewhere outside of the pupsave file.
Nooby, have a great weekend,
s

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#47 Post by nooby »

Very good advice. I will test this.

I noticed one thing when I experimented with your approach on SnowPuppy 5 which is based on lupu513 as I remember.

I had by accident made a too big savefile on Snowpup5 and when I added your program after months of using it then it shut me down to prompt and I had to xwin to get back to desktop screen.

But if I did a roundabout and instead of going to menu and then sfs-exec load instead I use Rox and go to the sfslists directory on mnt(home and there right click and chose browser opera.sfs then it survive

So I should restart with pfix=ram and place the .mozilla on the mnt/home or sda or whatever that works. and make a less big pupsavefile.


I did also test it in Fluppy which most likely is based on Puppy430 not sure.

But I failed to use Lupu 525 but maybe I did somethign wrong and should test it again.

Anyway. I hope you teach the other devs about this feature so it can be incorporated in the official Lupu or some other official Puppy because as a newbie I would have loved to get these from scratch and not to wait two years for them to emerge. :)
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#48 Post by seaside »

nooby wrote: So I should restart with pfix=ram and place the .mozilla on the mnt/home or sda or whatever that works. and make a less big pupsavefile.

You can't use "pfix=ram" because any changes you make will not be saved to the pupsave file.

Usually you move the /root/.mozilla directory to the /mn/home or sda, and then make a link back to /root/.mozilla. In order for the new link of /root/.mozilla to survive, it has to be saved to the pupsave file.

Cheers,
s

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#49 Post by nooby »

good new first and later the bad new. :)


1. Good news
Yes that works very well with the sfs for FF4.07 that I have an sfs for.

I did as you suggested and that way when I loaded FF.sfs using your sfs-exec then it took the private settings from the .mozilla that I symlinked to.

I have not tested if it save the new bookmarks to that mnt/home .mozilla but that is likely.

Anyway I am in Spup-100 a brand new and have only installed the sfs.exec and not done the pupsave yet and writing using the FF now and it just worked.

2. Bad news.

Snowpup5 is a lupu513 that Pemasu has remastered using a lot of codes from Jemimah on RFKILL and other such that makes it very good for Netbooks too. Snowpup is my main OS now.

But your sfs-exec shut down X and one get to the prompt and have to xwin in again. But it works if one only start the sfs up using right click using roxfiler.

I started totally fresh with snowpup iso and did everything right and it still shut it down. Have not tested on lupu525 yet which Snow15 make use of.
Will test Lupu525Lite first.
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#50 Post by seaside »

nooby wrote: But your sfs-exec shut down X and one get to the prompt and have to xwin in again. But it works if one only start the sfs up using right click using roxfiler.
Nooby,

That is indeed strange because I can't imagine what would be different about Snowpup or Lupu513. Can you give me the detailed steps of exactly when this happens.

Cheers,
s

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#51 Post by nooby »

I try!


I go Menu > Files > SFS-Exec-Dir and then at that moment it shut me down to Prompt and I do xwin and it start up but the only way to get sfs-exec working is to instead go to Rox and then go to the Dir with sfs files and do right click and that works without problem.


Background

I start with a fresh .iso and I used Snowpup5 the one with the lupu_513.sfs and the reason is that it seems to work better with Flashplayer Snow15 is too modern so it treat flash in another way.

but back to what I did. I boot and change all the personal settings I need.
Then I tried both your approach to install sfs-exec and the sfs-exec-pupsave but have also only tested to use sfs-exec-pupsave after the pupsave has already been made and then save it again.

This work with Fluppy and Lighthouse which as far as I know are based on Puppy 431 and Lupu 525 Lite worked too without get shutting down.
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#52 Post by seaside »

nooby wrote:
I go Menu > Files > SFS-Exec-Dir and then at that moment it shut me down to Prompt and I do xwin and it start up but the only way to get sfs-exec working is to instead go to Rox and then go to the Dir with sfs files and do right click and that works without problem.
.
Nooby,

How strange......

What happens if you open a terminal and type "SFS-Exec-Dir" and if that works - try "SFS-Exec-Dir /name/of/your/dir-of-sfsfiles"?

Ahhh. so many puppies in the litter now........ :?

Regards,
s

Jasper

#53 Post by Jasper »

Hi again seaside,

As I said earlier, your program is super fast and most effective with my frugal hard drive installation of Lucid Puppy 5.25.

However,

(a) When I use the new Save-pup icon on my desktop it works but also performs a power off.

(b) If, on the other hand, instead of using the save icon I make say, a new folder in my /root directory and then use Menu > Shutdown > Reboot computer the new folder is in /root after the reboot.

Although everything works superbly I am (probably foolishly) mildly surprised that (a) powers off - as well as saves, but I am quite surprised that (b) seems to continue to work exactly as it always did.

My surprise is unimportant if the results are as you would expect.

My regards

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#54 Post by seaside »

Jasper wrote:
(a) When I use the new Save-pup icon on my desktop it works but also performs a power off.

Yes, that's as designed

(b) If, on the other hand, instead of using the save icon I make say, a new folder in my /root directory and then use Menu > Shutdown > Reboot computer the new folder is in /root after the reboot.

That should not have happened. Can you create a new file, open a terminal and type "which snapmergepuppy" and then see if it returns a path. If it does not, then do a Menu>Shutdown>Reboot and see if that newly created file appears.
Regards,
s

Jasper

#55 Post by Jasper »

Hi seaside,

Thank you for your reply and in response:

First I made a new folder in /root named aaseasidetest and then subsequently (after rebooting) a new file named zzzseasidetest.

I copied and pasted your command and both times got only the hash "#".

I rebooted from the Menu and both the new folder and the new file appear in root after completion of the rebooting.

My regards

PS I actually like it this way, but this is not really the point.

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#56 Post by seaside »

Jasper wrote:Hi seaside,

Thank you for your reply and in response:

First I made a new folder in /root named aaseasidetest and then subsequently (after rebooting) a new file named zzzseasidetest.

I copied and pasted your command and both times got only the hash "#".

I rebooted from the Menu and both the new folder and the new file appear in root after completion of the rebooting.

My regards

PS I actually like it this way, but this is not really the point.
Jasper,

Thanks for running that test. This is a total puzzle because the normal merging program was disabled.

When I have a moment, I'll download 525 and see if I can learn what could be happening.

Regards,
s
(Perhaps I shouldn't look too hard since it seems you would prefer the current situation :) )

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#57 Post by nooby »

Seaside wrote quote
Perhaps I shouldn't look too hard since it seems you would prefer the current situation /quote

whoah Nope that is not good! it should not save that way :)

My result. I created a folder in mnt/home and did a reboot and it survived.
I made a new folder and rebooted and that one survived too.

I also did the which snapmergepuppy and that gave only the hash sign.
Snowpup5 is Lupu513 so most likely it would also act that way on all the puppies that are based on Lupu511.

I also made a more keen test of my problem with shut down to prompt.
1. Survive if one do Terminal and also
2. if one do Menu > Filesystem > Filemanagers > SFS-Exec-Dir but
3. But if one do right click on desktop and then filesystems > Filemanagers > SFS-Exec-Dir that gives an instant shut down to prompt.

So that would be needed to get dealt with unless numerous newbies get totally lost with a prompt and wild guess what to write xwin is not that intuitive to write if one are new but usually the text says so though :)

Nope sfs-exec-dir should not allow changes without one hit save button. That is no good! But if there is no way to protect it at least we should set the save time to zero or nil or 0 and that way it would not save a lot of things?

which snapmergepuppy
what was that suppose to give in normal circumstances?
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#58 Post by nooby »

Seaside I need your help.

I saw a warning when I rebooted. It says that I have errors in the ext3 pupsavef file.
I go out in prompt to see what they say again.

I am back from a new test and it seems it is when I do the right click on screen and it shut down to prompt that it corrupt the pupsavefile most likely so I will not do that again. Not in this my best Puppy :)
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#59 Post by Jasper »

Hi seaside,

There is no rush with my query and here is a screenshot in case it may help to explain what I did:

Image
Frugal hard drive installation of Lucid Puppy 5.25..

My regards

I loaded the sfs files by right clicking on each of the four sfs files then clicking SFS-Exec.

The clock is the Wine clock after loading the Wine sfs.

I have never unloaded (or attempted to unload) either of the two standard type files which are listed at the top of the Unloader window.

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#60 Post by nooby »

Seaside! Jasper take up something that I also have wondered about.

I have never unloaded (or attempted to unload) either of the two standard type files which are listed at the top of the Unloader window.
Could that explain why the files got saved?

But logically don't sfs-exec need them loaded? when one tell it to save to pupsave using the savebutton and before it shut down then it need to access these files that is loaded during boot why would you load them if the SFS-Exec did not need them?
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