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stu90


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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 12:43    Post_subject:  

Hello gaz1965
Im afraid i can't be of much use her as i have no experience of VBOX virtual box? running from CD or full installs as i only use puppy via frugal installs.

By full version i presume you mean official lucid 525 ?

Maybe this has something to do with Gparted 0.8.0 not being installed? - you can install it through the puppy package manager.

After you install Gparted to stop it returning an error paste or type this command into terminal and hit return (that is an none capital "L" at the start and not a capital "i"):

ln -s /usr/bin/gpartedbin /usr/sbin/gpartedbin
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PostPosted: Sat 16 Apr 2011, 13:15    Post_subject:  

Thanks spot on.

The problem was gparted not being installed.
Currently coping the files from cd to sda1

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PostPosted: Sun 17 Apr 2011, 04:25    Post_subject:  

I am setting this laptop up for the missus.
I want her to be able to just switch it on so that puppy-525-lite loads & all her drives are accessible.

Currently have just two issues I need to sort.

1) grub. I set it up to load from sda1 MBR
When the pc is booted have to hit <Enter> to select sda1
Can this be amended so that sda1 is auto selected by grub?

2) I have edited /etc/rc.d/rc.local to auto mount sda3 as follows
mount /dev/sda3

Is there a way to auto unmount on shutdown without having to click on the drive Icon to unmount?

I just want to make the system foolproof. Switch on/ use /switch off
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PostPosted: Tue 19 Apr 2011, 01:04    Post_subject:  

gaz1965 wrote:
I am setting this laptop up for the missus.
I want her to be able to just switch it on so that puppy-525-lite loads & all her drives are accessible.

Currently have just two issues I need to sort.

1) grub. I set it up to load from sda1 MBR
When the pc is booted have to hit <Enter> to select sda1
Can this be amended so that sda1 is auto selected by grub?

2) I have edited /etc/rc.d/rc.local to auto mount sda3 as follows
mount /dev/sda3

Is there a way to auto unmount on shutdown without having to click on the drive Icon to unmount?

I just want to make the system foolproof. Switch on/ use /switch off


1/ You can add under the timeout line a line consisting of :
default num

Set the default entry to the entry number num. Numbering starts from 0, and the entry number 0 is the default if the command is not used.

ie default 2 should startup /dev/sda2 if your menu has the first entry for /dev/sda1 and second entry for /dev/sda2

However I wonder if you really asking for it to autoload or start up, in that case uncomment (delete the #) at the start of the Timeout line at the top in your menu.1st (usually /boot/grub/menu.1st and make sure you save an uneditied copy before you start ammending (menu.1st.org)) and set the time at the end of the line to what you think suitable, remembering you still need to break it ocassionally for troubleshooting, don't put it at 1 or 0 as it's too short to react. Mine is 10, which equals 10 seconds so I can read what's there and choose, i've found a minimum of 5 is safe if you have only one partition to start for a novice, they don't get worried then and it counts down before starting.

and

2/ it should clear all buffers before it unmounts all partitions when it shuts down if your using the shutdown in the menu, just turning it off can be hazardous to your information and DEFINATELY NOT RECOMENDED. It will do a cleanup on restart if it accidentally dies from a power glitch, but any data not written out from cache to drive will be lost.

You can also check in your laptop bios that the hard drive is writing and not caching data on the write cycle, check for something like the word writethrough or cache as a setting. It's not always there though.

hope i've helped
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PostPosted: Wed 27 Apr 2011, 05:49    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Lucid-lite base basics
 

Cheers stu90 -
What with being Puppy5, and with all the recent association with lynxes, meerkats, narwhals and ocelots, I have been considering your Lite525 as a perfect base for a puplet aimed at impoverished Uni students in the field of - what else- Vet science!
The puplet will be aimed particularly at research functions and be loaded with sc0ttman's FireDog3.6 (plus the indispensible Zotero add-on), ImageJ, emil's 'R' statistics package, CowLog (deb), and the new Docear (coincidentally pronounced as "dog-ear", formerly "SciPlore"/FreeMind) PDF management and mindmapping tool (also deb EDIT: actually a zip file for the generic Linux structure, reports successful operation in Debian). Here I am just writing to let you now that Barry K's new Thunar pet (1.0.2-Lucid), viewnoir-1.1-p5, Xorg_High-1.1-Lucid, and radky's PupComboPlus1.1-Lucid and recent PupSnap - all work as intended, and seamlessly.
However, problems were encountered after I installed the patched-wBar using CatDudes instructions here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=19742&start=135 - Firefox would not load by any method, instead throwing up the error dialogue that a version of FF was already running, when it wasn't. A full shut down and reboot seems to have resolved the issue.

I love the pared-back presentation, the ease of preference changes, the Win+D keybinding for clearing the desktop (but I must include some other Win key bindings for my mostly Windoze refugees).

Many Thanks!

[Testbed: Lenovo T60 (widescreen Raedon 1280x800 display), 2GHz, 2Mb RAM, wlan0 via 3G21WB router]

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PostPosted: Wed 27 Apr 2011, 10:54    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Lucid-lite base basics
 

Puppyt wrote:
Cheers stu90 -
What with being Puppy5, and with all the recent association with lynxes, meerkats, narwhals and ocelots, I have been considering your Lite525 as a perfect base for a puplet aimed at impoverished Uni students in the field of - what else- Vet science!
The puplet will be aimed particularly at research functions and be loaded with sc0ttman's FireDog3.6 (plus the indispensible Zotero add-on), ImageJ, emil's 'R' statistics package, CowLog (deb), and the new Docere (coincidentally pronounced as "dog-ear", formerly "SciPlore"/FreeMind) PDF management and mindmapping tool (also deb). Here I am just writing to let you now that Barry K's new Thunar pet (1.0.2-Lucid), viewnoir-1.1-p5, Xorg_High-1.1-Lucid, and radky's PupComboPlus1.1-Lucid and recent PupSnap - all work as intended, and seamlessly.
However, problems were encountered after I installed the patched-wBar using CatDudes instructions here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=19742&start=135 - Firefox would not load by any method, instead throwing up the error dialogue that a version of FF was already running, when it wasn't. A full shut down and reboot seems to have resolved the issue.

I love the pared-back presentation, the ease of preference changes, the Win+D keybinding for clearing the desktop (but I must include some other Win key bindings for my mostly Windoze refugees).

Many Thanks!

[Testbed: Lenovo T60 (widescreen Raedon 1280x800 display), 2GHz, 2Mb RAM, wlan0 via 3G21WB router]


Hi Puppyt thank you for the feedback. Cool
Sound like an interesting project you are embarking on there.

regarding wbar - i have not tried it but there is a lucid puppy wbar.pet in the puppy package manager, maybe that one will work better - i will give it a try later today.
If you let me know which firefox you tried i will also look into it.

Maybe worth including gparted in your puplet - as gaz1965 pointed out above there can be problems with full install not working due to gparted not being present.

there is also scsijon apps.sfs this is handy as you can quickly load it up with sfs load on the fly and have all the default puppy applications available as and when needed.

If you run into any problems let me know and i will try to help.

cheers.
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PostPosted: Thu 28 Apr 2011, 05:25    Post_subject:  

I put this in here so i don't clutter up the forum with all my junk - my main focus will still be lucid 525 lite but here is a light version of Spup full.

pets: Don't use lucid lite pets as the majority of them wont work due to Spup using slackware and Lucid puppy using Ubuntu.

Spup 100 - lite
Here is a lighter version of the recently release spup 100 full.
http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=62750



Changes pretty much the same a lucid 525 - lite with the exception of windows manager, Spup uses JWM so i just modified it slightly and left it as default.

90mb
http://smokey01.com/stu90/spup-100-lite.iso
As ever thanks to Smokey01 for file hosting.
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PostPosted: Tue 03 May 2011, 09:31    Post_subject:  

update to lucid-525-lite-004



Updated to Pemasu's lupe-20 - 2.6.38.4 kernel.
Trying different audio fix.
geko-mediaplayer 1.0.3

http://smokey01.com/stu90/lupu-525-lite-004.iso
md5: bc2a9782d43b1a624f3960297b80213d

devx (despite name this is the correct devx for 004)
http://smokey01.com/stu90/lupu_devx_525.sfs
md5: 15725380689e08f60bdf779892b8c007



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lucid-526-lite-003
Updated to Pemasu latest lupe-18 2.6.38.4 kernel.

Should now have a proper audio fix with out having to run ALSA wizard - please check for no muted audio at first and subsequent boot.

Changed default JWM theme and removed JWM menu icons.

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Lupu-lite-002 - 2.6.38.4 kernel

Included my ham fisted attempt at audio fix - plus some missing dependencies for mplayer and XBMC

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Was in two minds if to post this or not as there is a bug with audio but maybe some one can figure it out?

Audio bug:
On first boot audio is muted - right clicking on the retrovol volume icon in the tray and ticking 'Master' will turn on audio but note it will be muted again on next boot.
Work around seems to be tick the 'Master' box in retrovol then run ALSA sound wizard from the menu > Setup > ALSA sound wizard you should only need to do this once for audio to work as normal and not be muted at boot.
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Lupu-lite-01 - 2.6.38.4 kernel

This is Lucid 525 lite with Pemasu's Lupe-17 2.6.38.4 kernel.

Whats changed:
Updated kernel
ISO now down to 100mb size
New light gray GTK theme as default
New dark rox icon theme as default

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PostPosted: Tue 03 May 2011, 11:31    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Lucid-lite + KDE lite + java lite... I wish
 

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PostPosted: Tue 03 May 2011, 11:32    Post_subject: tripping up in the Lite fantastic
Sub_title: Lucid-lite + KDE lite + java lite... I wish
 

G'day again stu90,
stu90 wrote:

Hi Puppyt thank you for the feedback. Cool
Sound like an interesting project you are embarking on there...

Thanks for your interest in my little walk on the wildish side. While it will never aspire to the dizzy heights of BioPuppy or ChemPup (http://biopuppy.org/ and http://www.chemtoolbox.com/index.php/about-chemtoolboxcom.html), I have always hankered after a general research-type dogsbody puplet, and your strip-backed Lucid-lite looks just the ticket.
Alas, this is the moon-shooting ideals of a non-programming, barely-typing Windows Refusenik (not refugee) and pretty soon found myself embarking up a whole series of wrong trees before I realised I was embarking mad to think I could pull it off painlessly.
Here's the core of what I was aiming for:
1) SciPlore PDF management, bibliography integration and visualisation tool (from the FreeMind crew: http://www.sciplore.org/software/sciplore_mindmapping/#download, though the application will have a name change from v16 away from "SciPlore Mindmapping" to "Docear". (robwoj44 provided a pet for beta10 here:http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=431162#431162, but I was never - am still not able- to integrate the software properly in Puppy. Yes, you can drag'n'drop any number of image, doc and pdf files into the mindmap but you are then unable to click on the objects to have the requisite image, doc or pdf reader and highlighter re-open those data files. Does a great job of displaying the bookmarks (headings and subheadings) of your PDF files in any given directory, but does not link to those locations in the actual PDF file in Puppy Linux, unlike that found in Windows versions etc. Latest version beta15 is only available for Linux as a zip file.)
2) KeepNote organisational tool for writing and research projects. (http://rasm.ods.org/keepnote/index.shtml#about. No pet or sfs yet available, just zip file. Alas - doesn't appear to be open-source - does anyone know of an open-source alternative??)
3) The 'R' statistics environment.(emil's forum and pets here: http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51141)
4) ImageJ digital analysis package.(http://rsb.info.nih.gov/ij). robwo44 also made a pet here of the most recent release http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=319184. Has plug-ins available for statistical analysis of digital images in 'R', and has been recently extended to the 'Fiji' package here http://pacific.mpi-cbg.de/wiki/index.php/Fiji, for which there is no pet/sfs yet available.
5) CowLog video analysis software (http://mpastell.com/cowlog/. integrates with mplayer, 'R' statistical analysis and can be modified by the user using KDE's "Kommander").
Since I was having to go with KDE (for Kommander and the "RKward" R gui - see below), I looked at Okular for PDF file functions http://okular.kde.org/ - but happily found that KPDF does a perfectly good job for what I wanted.
6) User's own choice of Office software drawn from the Puppy and Ubuntu repositories. Maybe something from the KDE branch...

WHAT WENT WRONG?
Just me, I'm thinking.
First up I removed FF_3.6.13-Lucid pet and installed sc0ttman's FireDog-3.6 as the principal browser. Installed essential add-ons Zotero http://www.zotero.org/, the wellminded puppy linux search engine and Downthemall and everything is drum-tight and super-fast (thanks sc0ttman!). I used emil's jre_1.6.0_22 pet listed here http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=51141&start=45 and ImageJ works, and SciPlore 10 (pet) operates to the level outlined above. I also tested AngryIP-3.084 http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=67345 and it seems to be working as advertised. Needed Xarchiver_0.5.2 for the zip files and installed Python-+-2.6.4-i486 as a dependency for KeepNote. All dependencies ckecked out fine.
The R (+ R-Commander, a /GUI to help beginners using R) sfs worked like a dream.
For KDE I thought lightness was next to godliness, so went with Iguleder's KDE 3 (Trinity core: http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=58921&start=90) sfs. Weird stuff happening now, with various K 'apps' working and others (like Kommander and KPDF) playing "schtum" in both Openbox and kde environments (restart from prompt with "xwin startkde". *I'M BACK IN JWM - HOW DO i GET BACK INTO OPENBOX PLEASE??). I then installed dejan555's minimal KDE pet from here http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=41115 (kdelibs4c2a.pet ) and all works swimmingly in KDE and JWM - haven't yet tested in openbox. All, that is, except "RKWARD" - the additional R GUI I hoped to install to assist beginners in statistics and the R "environment" (http://rkward.sourceforge.net/). Typing 'rkward' in a terminal starts up R but doesn't carry through to load Rkward correctly. The latest zip files for SciPlore (v15) and KeepNote 0.7.2 also failed to make any impression when extracted into the root directory.

So I have a bit of a dismembered 'bitzer' here, and must ask the wider community for assistance (in the Requests) for SciPlore15 and KeepNote pets, as well as tips on properly solving the rkward dilemma.

Cheers!

P.S. Thanks too for the "heads up" on Gparted - I read gaz1965's post with great interest. I thought 'pfind' was another absolute necessity for a functional base - couldn't see if Thunar had a file search feature in-built and perhaps a KDE alternative might be friendlier to users new to Puppy (I have no real experience with KDE). Haven't yet tried pemasu's kernel or noticed the audio hitch yet, but will report back later today Smile

* EDIT: Aha - type "startx openbox-session" at the prompt to resume as normal. (e.g., http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=25185)

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PostPosted: Tue 03 May 2011, 15:04    Post_subject:  

I couldnt resist and decided to test. Works fine in my laptop. Nothing to report which I didnt know from my previous tests.
Working monitors. Powerapplet_tray does not work with 2.6.38.4 kernel. You can remove it from /root/Startup. Working monitors, at least in most hw: Gatotray, CPUtemp-1.3, Conky, Psensor, Xsensors (already installed with lm-sensors and libsensors, good catch)

Nice to see that already new kernel has got new home. No more stray dog.

Thank you of your experiment. Looks good, works fine, responds snappy. As Puppy should.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 May 2011, 09:47    Post_subject: Lucid 525 lite + experimental Lucid lite 2.6.38.4 kernel  

I did a frugal install of lucid lite

Computer
Processor 4x AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor
Memory 8050MB (147MB used)
Operating System Puppy Linux 0.52
User Name root (root)
Date/Time Wed 04 May 2011 08:41:28 AM EDT

Wed 4 May 2011 Operating System: Lucid Puppy-525 Linux 2.6.38.4
5.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon HD 3200 Graphics
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: RS780 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R600 (RS780 9610) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1

AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 810 Processor
Core 0: 2593 1: 2593 2: 2593 3: 2593 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.

You weren't kidding when you said lite Smile, I've added some apps from
the puppy package manager.

It's working pretty well so far.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 May 2011, 16:10    Post_subject: Lucid 525 lite + experimental Lucid lite 2.6.38.4 kernel  

Frugal install of lupulite

Computer

Memory 4148MB (191MB used)

Wed 4 May 2011 Operating System: Lucid Puppy-525 Linux 2.6.38.4
0.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV530 [Radeon X1600]
oem: ATI ATOMBIOS product: RV530 01.00

X Server: Xorg Driver: radeon
X.Org version: 1.7.6
dimensions: 1440x900 pixels (380x238 millimeters)
depth of root window: 24 planes

direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
OpenGL vendor string: DRI R300 Project
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 (RV530 71C2) 20090101 x86/MMX/SSE2 TCL
OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 7.7.1

Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E4500
Core 0: 2200 1: 2200 MHz

...the above also recorded at '/tmp/root/report-video-glx'.

# glxgears
15170 frames in 5.0 seconds
15182 frames in 5.0 seconds
15179 frames in 5.0 seconds
15193 frames in 5.0 seconds

Set sound levels with alsamixer.

It's working nice on this pc.
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PostPosted: Wed 04 May 2011, 17:05    Post_subject: Keepnote  

Keepnote is open source - just downloaded the tar gz file and it contains the program source written in python. You can use that to make a pet - but python is a dependency, maybe others.

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PostPosted: Wed 04 May 2011, 18:39    Post_subject:
Sub_title: Keepnote dependencies
 

Thanks myke - great that it's open-source - went back to the homepage to actually read the destructions : " needs Python2.5 (or any greater 2.X), sqlite (version >= 3.5.0), PyGTK, gtkspell (optional)" . Downloaded all but PyGTK from the Ubuntu repositories (via PPM) and am downloading technosaurus' Python+-2.6.1-i486.pet from his http://code.google.com/p/puppy-development/downloads site as I type.
Cheers!

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