Puppy on Tablets

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#41 Post by sc0ttman »

puppyiso wrote:Come on, guys...

What do you expect from 20 buck devices? Don't wait and buy extra batteries.

The prices are deadly right. For 20 bucks, I have to eat cheap lunch even here in Shanghai.


Even a cheap keyboard would cost more than 20 bucks in the US.
I agree... But my point being that 'alwaysinnovating ain't all that cheap, considering they are reportedly about as reliable as the dreaded a-pads.. And I saw an Indian company planning to release $10 tablet PCs...

Sometimes I wish the guys who produce overly-cheap tablets and such would just get real, stop being money grabbers selling, stop crap products that were never even designed to be good enough, and just release a good tablet for $100...
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#42 Post by puppyiso »

I have seen PMPs capable of running ANDROID.

It gives me hope that one day puppy can root those pmps with keyboard attached

And they are cheap .. about 500 yuan. .. with touch screen and some are as wide as 8"s

I do know about the poor quality of Chinese product.(having lived here for 8 years now)

However,

If you are careful, you can find reliable ones. ...at cheap prices.

You gotta shop around. :)

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#43 Post by sszindian »

Lobster Wrote:
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I like the idea - there is a netbook with a phone dock but I think I prefer this - all depends on pricing and uptake . . .
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/30/asus ... d-padfone/
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I believe Asus has something going there! I didn't read the specs but I believe they are running Android? At any rate, I tried the Android OS on an old notebook I own, it does work but I wasn't really impressed that much. However, if there was a Puppy Android OS on that new tablet, it might make a world of improvement? But... I can see where the standard Puppy Apps probably would not be of much use, one would have to go the 'Cloud Route' I believe?

There is little question as to where this industry is headed with Apple turning to the cloud and most of the other major players, Google, IBM, Amazon etc.

Tablets will no doubt be cheap to purchase (some are already) and wireless is again no doubt the future of the Internet. Internet IP service via cable or dialup is a matter of economics... as more turn to tablets, netbooks and wireless, that's where the advertisers will put their dollars and when they no longer support the cable, dialup, with those advertising dollars, well... we all know what happens, their history. Sad for sure but thats the advancement of technology, like it or not.

And yes... looking more into tablet and Puppy would be very smart move besides Lobster, you have a fantastic collection of 'Cloud Stuff' already from what you posted over in the Cloud Puppy tread! 'Use it for the tablet!!!'

Will the move to the tablet be easy? I hope it's accepted better than when I decided to do the cloud puppy thing (Oh my the headaches) but if Puppy is going to survive at all, the move to new technology is a must or we are going down the same road as cable and dialup!

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#44 Post by Lobster »

For many the computer is mobile already
. . . more to come . . .
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#45 Post by raffy »

This viewpad must be exceptional because it dual-boots Android and Windows. The specs say:
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#46 Post by Lobster »

Thanks raffy, thanks guys

I now have an ARM powered Android phone and for the last two days been playing with a new ipad2 (gone back to owner now) :cry:
. . . very tempted to save up my sardine tins to get one . . .

The Android phone (which I use as a computer) reminds me of facebook. Lots to do most of it trivial or useless. Will take me a while to get used to it

Ipad2 . . . Any good?
Yes. Very good. Very polished. Very pleasant.
Totally cloud based - you really need net connection
Fast, quiet, long battery life 5 hour charging - 10 hour usage
The screen is fabulous
The IOS very straight forward interfacing
Safari browser is OK
Youtube works, there is a free BBC iplayer, Street view in Google maps IS available

Problems. No flash - not such a bad thing
No USB - that is a bad thing . . .
The screen keyboard is very good but the screen cover is
separate prop which Apple overcharges for in its normal outrageous manner
That cover would be much more useful
if it was a blue tooth rubberised rollerable keyboard
Don’t tell me no one thought of that?

Will we ever see Puppy on it?
Not in Puppy's present form - it is just not yet 'touch enabled
BUT that might be supported in the latest kernel options?
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#47 Post by Lobster »

This is Ubuntu's plan
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/02/ ... -computer/
It is a good plan.

O Raspberry, Raspberry,, wherefore art thou Raspberry?
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#48 Post by smokey01 »

Lobster iPad3 is just around the corner. Even more impressive.

http://www.ipad-3-news.com/

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#49 Post by Lobster »

Lobster iPad3 is just around the corner. Even more impressive.
Image
Must resist
I have the programming ability of
a TV remote with missing batteries
but I want a tablet I can program on. . . .

This is tempting :?
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Codify-r ... ad_id23301
Must resist - do not bite the Apple

I thought the Ipad3 would have an e-ink screen
- that would have been very cool 8)

Parmlet not available yet . . .
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#50 Post by Lobster »

An alternative to the Akash . . .
http://www.pantel.in/product19-T-Pad_is701r.aspx

There are a lot of these potential devices floating about.
E-ink is going to make the difference for me - battery life will shoot up
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I am very tempted by the ASUS TF300T. This is a 10 inch display pad computer that comes with a detachable keyboard, becoming an ARM netbook with the keyboard attached. The SOC is a Nvidia Tegra3, which has 4 cortex A9 cores with NEON , plus a 5th low-power one for idling etc. Quite a different scale from the Raspberry Pi, in cost alas! Still cheaper than any Ultrabook I can find in NZ though.

There a a number of fora that report on various ways to install Linux onto the TF300. The easiest way seems to be to chroot from android into a suitable Linux filesystem image. Most of them mention Ubuntu but claim that any processor-suitable Linux image should work.

Can any guru comment on whether this is likely to work for Puppy? I would tend to be looking at using Android for the things that it is good for and Puppy for the essential Linux apps, especially Libre Office. I was considering the Arch-Puppy approach as a possibility. Or is there another Puppy ARM build that could work?

If it looks possible and I do have a go, would there be anyone available to hold my hand as I try?

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#52 Post by vtpup »

Still waiting for a Puppy that runs on a cheap 9" ARM tablet.

For example IRULU on ebay: $65 with case and keyboard.

Tired of Android, Google, cloud, hype, inefficiency, lack of ownership, etc. Want Puppy! :D :D :D
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#53 Post by rokytnji »

vtpup wrote:Still waiting for a Puppy that runs on a cheap 9" ARM tablet.

For example IRULU on ebay: $65 with case and keyboard.

Tired of Android, Google, cloud, etc. Want Puppy! :D :D :D
Not Puppy but new news anyways

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-29410999

Something to keep in mind though.
However, it will work only with kit fitted with chips based on ARM's Cortex-M designs.

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#54 Post by vtpup »

I want Puppy, not another mfr's idea to corral a market.
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#55 Post by vtpup »

Some hope of a useful puppy on a tablet now. I just bought a mfr refurb Acer A1-830 on EBay - they're selling for $89, and they're Intel Atom x86 based. New, they're $150 so I hope we may see a good user base.

I'm hoping the x86 proc will allow Puppy to run. I'm already running Debian on it as a chroot process. You still have to vnc to it (or RDP) and I can't yet do that with a client running on the tablet -- not sure why but local host and 127.0.0.1 haven't been accessible via the stock Android clients I've tried so far.

BUT... I have been able to vnc to the tablet from Puppy's client on my laptop at its network address. So PROGRESS!!

We need a puppy image instead of Debian, and hopefully it should run natively on this hardware.
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#56 Post by vtpup »

For a taste, here's the Debian desktop running on the Acer Iconia A1-830 tablet. I've added to it and customized the xvkb keyboard. I run this from a VNC connection to the tablet from my laptop running Puppy linux and Rdesktop. I should be able to do this directly on the tablet, but haven't succeeded yet with the Android clients I've tried.

But ideally A linux should run natively -- and that should be possible with this tablet.

Also because this is an x86 tablet, I can install the vast range of .x86 debs, rather than those compiled for ARM devices, and it should be possible to run other types of x86 oriented linux, as well.
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#57 Post by vtpup »

Here's an article which appears to say that a standard install works with a variety of Linuxes on an x86 tablet using a standard Live install method.

http://www.in.techradar.com/news/softwa ... 781789.cms

Unfortunately they don't actually explain the live install method they used:
We're fairly sure you don't need to be told how to install a Linux distro - most now use an identifiable and easy-to-navigate installer - but we thought it would be interesting to see how well they coped, first as a live image, via a bootable USB, then secondly as a fully installed OS.
Well actually, no. At least not for a tablet like this. For Puppy we use a LiveCD or at the very least, extract the puppy files from an ISO add them to a directory and hand write menu.lst stanzas to potint to it (frugal install) None of which is applicable to the tablet. I don't understand the boot process or boot loader -- wish they'd specified this for their article.

But it does look hopeful.
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#58 Post by vtpup »

More info:

The tablet is really nicely built with an Ipad Mini form factor, an 8" 1024 x 768 screen resolution and a dual core 1.6 Ghz Intel Atom proc, 16 Gig of internal memory (11 gig available), microSD slot.

The instructions I used to root the tablet are here:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthr ... st51089990

Instructions I used to install x86 tablet Debian (not native, requires VNC or RDP client to display desktop) here:

http://wdowiak.me/special-features/debi ... index.html
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#59 Post by rokytnji »

I want Puppy, not another mfr's idea to corral a market.
OK
Still waiting for a Puppy that runs on a cheap 9" ARM tablet.
OK
they're Intel Atom x86 based.
:?: OK, I guess.

So much for a arm puppy I guess. At least the link I supplied will run on a arm device. I have no ties to Britain being a Texican. Just posting the info.

Good luck with with the x86 Intel Atom cpu tablet. I own 2 intel atom n270
2 gig ram, netbooks myself that run puppy already.

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#60 Post by vtpup »

Roky, do your atom powered netbooks use a standard bootloader like Grub?

I had never considered an x86 tablet basically because most seemed to run Win 8 and were in the $400 range. I don't have any particular reason to want an ARM processor vs an x86 on a tablet -- just didn't realize an x86 tab was available at an affordable level. X86 has the advantage of years of development, rather than rewriting everything from scratch for a different instruction set.

btw. ARM processors can run a real open source Linux distro now but only those compiled for a particular ARM version and also, typically as an image under Android and VPNed to. The three main available ARM LInii are Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch. Puppy ARM development seemed to stall around 2012 in the threads I've seen. I imagine the biggest damper was the fact that apps would have to be written for ARM, not just the OS. And the variety of ARM version devices would require different compiled versions.

The x86 tablet is suddenly a viable option, however in this price range, in fact the tablet I got has better screen specs at a similar price to the cheapest Ebay Chinese ARM tablet clones. I think we're on the verge of a big change in the tablet market as a result, at least for Linux, -- and I hope we can shortly have a Puppy running on low cost high quality tablets.
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