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#21 Post by john biles »

Hello Iguleder, If you think 4.2.1 (Aprox June 2009) is too old then Legacy's 2.14 (Aprox Feb-March 2007) base must really annoy you. LOL!

Hello sc0ttman, Create what you want to give to the Puppy / Linux community and enjoy the experience of creating it.

While what you make won't suit everyone's hardware. It's sure to suit most.

Imagine if there was only one Puppy version available....

Now you know why there's Derivatives....

Puppy and Linux gives a user choices which Windows and Mac can't....
Legacy OS 2017 has been released.

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#22 Post by puppyite »

This jumps out at me:
You may want to offer a contest to rename Pupplite 6.
Allowing users to control developers actions will not be tolerated by the Puppy Linux Community, it suggests that users deserve a seat at the table. I hereby publicly chastise you for suggesting such a thing, it might kill their “Puppy Spirit

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#23 Post by sc0ttman »

puppyite wrote:This jumps out at me:
You may want to offer a contest to rename Pupplite 6.
Allowing users to control developers actions will not be tolerated by the Puppy Linux Community, it suggests that users deserve a seat at the table. I hereby publicly chastise you for suggesting such a thing, it might kill their “Puppy Spirit
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#24 Post by Puppyt »

Hey sc0ttman -
really looking forward to seeing this one hatch - when you're good and ready.
What about a "Puppy Rescue"-specific spin-off based on your stripped-back v6? You could call it "BSOD" - Bitzer Survival-Operations Disk...

OK so I'm crap at names too ;)

Hex?

PS I don't know how it translates outside of Oz, but a "bitzer" is a mongrel - a dog with bitza this, bitza that. Just another idea from the mongrel nation, sc0ttman.

UPDATES: How about turning the problem on its head? LitePup?
Hmmm - light.... what about "Photon"?
Small, fast, light - Merlin? Peregrin?
Phaedrus? The 'wolf' in Pirsig's "Zen and the Art of [computer systems] Maintenance"
Orac?
HAL?
Dogzilla? (Maybe Shinobar should claim that one)
RoboPup?
Ruffian?
Marvin42?
Eddie?
Howl?
Fetch?
P-6?
Hibernia?
sc0tti?

Nah - I'm still crap.:roll: Brain hurts, but fun.
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#25 Post by Lobster »

Names:

Uppy - mind you is that taking the P out of Puppy?
Plite - nah that might get you into plight
Pupette - a bit too French for a sc0ttman?
Pup - is small and not yet being used - though it does have negative connotations in US
PupBite or just Bite - you being a ferocious MMA guy
Runt - we may have a user on IRC with this name but I rather like it, nobody expects much from it as it is small and then it surprises everyone . . .
Lpup - yep L for Learner - but then it is El Pup - a bit Spanish?
LOLpup - just seems to make me smile
AlphaPup - never finished but always the Alpha Dog

. . . just some ideas

Puplite - is OK too 8)
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#26 Post by sc0ttman »

Loving the suggestions, I will end up either sticking with Puplite, just for simplicity, but will be ideally choosing a suggestion that takes my fancy! :D And I'm gonna be using "bitzer" from now on, in everyday speech! I like that phrase... Typical Aussie simplicity.
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#27 Post by artifus »

ohm's where the art is

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#28 Post by sc0ttman »

Just an update, so I dont lose the list more than anything (in case I lose the files), I've built an updated Puplite, which basically has a Wary 'core' - the same glibc, gtk (and its deps) and ffmpeg. I also updated a few more things.

Here's a list of the pets I have added to Puplite, to make it wary 512 compatible:

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atk-1.30.0-w5.pet
cairo-1.10.2-w5.pet
compositeproto-0.4-w5.pet
damageproto-1.1.0-w5.pet
fribidi-0.19.2-w5.pet
gcc_lib-4.3.4-1-w5.pet
gettext-0.17-w5.pet
glib-2.24.2-1-w5.pet
glibc-2.10.1-1-w5.pet
gtk+-2.20.1-1-w5.pet
libao-0.8.8-w5.pet
libart-2.3.20-w5.pet
libcap-2.17-w5.pet
libgee-0.5.2-w5.pet
libjpeg-7-w5.pet
libpng-1.2.44-patched_apng_t2-w5.pet
librsvg-2.32.1-w5.pet
libtiff-3.8.2-1-w5.pet
libx11-1.1.3-w5.pet
libxau-1.0.3-w5.pet
libxaw-1.0.4-w5.pet
libxcursor-1.1.9-w5.pet
libxdamage-1.1.1-w5.pet
libxdmcp-1.0.2-w5.pet
libxext-1.0.3-w5.pet
libxfixes-4.0.3-w5.pet
libxi-1.0.4-w5.pet
libxinerama-1.0.2-w5.pet
libxml2-2.7.6-w5.pet
libxpm-3.5.7-w5.pet
libxrandr-1.2.2-w5.pet
pango-1.28.1-w5.pet
pcre-8.00-1-w5.pet
pixman-0.18.4-w5.pet
sqlite-3.7.5-w5.pet
zlib-1.2.3-w5.pet
faac-1.28-w5.pet
faad2-2.7-w5.pet
ffmpeg-2010-09-23-1-w5.pet
libdc1394-2.1.2-w5.pet
libraw1394-2.0.2-w5.pet
libtheora-1.1.1-w5.pet
libvpx-0.9.2-i486-w5.pet
libxcb_base-1.1-w5.pet
opencore-amr-0.1.2-w5.pet
orc-0.4.9-w5.pet
schroedinger-1.0.9-w5.pet
SDL-1.2.14-w5.pet
speex-1.2rc1-w5.pet
vlc_nogui-1.1.5-w5.pet
x264-20100922-2245-w5.pet
xcb-proto-1.0-w5.pet
xcb-util-0.3.4-w5.pet
SDL-1.2.14-w5.pet
SDL_image-1.2.6-w5.pet
SDL_mixer-1.2.9-w5.pet
SDL_ttf-2.0.9-w5.pet
All works fine, this one will be the base for the next Puplite.
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Puplite 6.0 Alpha

#29 Post by l2ulinux »

Your new PUPPY bases on the Wary core sounds like a great idea. Will be glad to give it a run when it comes out. That is what makes Puppy so great are the differ ways the programmer can build their own release.

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#30 Post by SouthPaws »

How about...

ScottPup, or ScottiePup, or just Scottie... 8) (does suggest a small size)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Terrier

Or even KiltPup... :o (suggests a lightweight size... and airy sensation :wink: )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilt
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Re: Puplite 6.0 Alpha

#31 Post by sc0ttman »

l2ulinux wrote:Your new PUPPY bases on the Wary core sounds like a great idea. Will be glad to give it a run when it comes out. That is what makes Puppy so great are the differ ways the programmer can build their own release.
Yeah, I tried the compiling route, but couldn't get it done, as I'm no 'programmer' .. But it works well anyway, still using it , no issues so far.. :D Would like to know if I forgot to update anything though?

Cos I will also update BASH to 4.2, and maybe e2fsprogs plus a few other things, if needed.. I tried a few builds, had to remove some of the wary pets before the new build worked, not entirely sure which one was breaking things, as I removed a few "-w5.pet" files from the list, and then it worked :roll:

So if anyone knows of other things that should be updated with the list in my previous post, then let me know!

And about those names, anything but KiltPup - not that this is a good reason but it always annoyed me when I was little that people would assume I was Scottish (and certain nationalities always do) ... When you meet a guy called Dave, would you assume he comes from Daveland, or that the Dutch guy you know is called Holland?? (phew, rant over....)
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#32 Post by vanchutr »

@sc0ttman
Can you add some add-ons plugins to Webbrowser (Seamonkey or Firefox). Something are deliciuos like FlashGot or DownloadHelper ... to download Youtube files)
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#33 Post by sc0ttman »

vanchutr wrote:@sc0ttman
Can you add some add-ons plugins to Webbrowser (Seamonkey or Firefox). Something are deliciuos like FlashGot or DownloadHelper ... to download Youtube files)
TK
It will include a browser installer so you can choose which browser you want to use..
Only elinks (the terminal web browser) is installed by default.

One of the options in the browser installer is "Firedog 3.6" - this is a special version of Firefox 3.6, with more addons, built especially for Puppy Linux. You can search this forum for Firedog for more info.

EDIT: There are Seamonkey addons in the PPM, I may add some to Opera when I update it, and also SM2, if the Wary one works nice.

Also, on a different subject:

In the next Puplite, I will be replacing quite a few busybox applets with the full utilities found in the sysfsutils, gnutils, coreutils, findutils and util-linux packages, following Barrys work on Wary.


EDIT: Barry actually did the opposite, and found busybox lacking compared the to full utils, so I have been careful not to let busybox replace anything not already covered by busybox. I also did indeed replace a few busybox applets with the full utils..

I will also be upgrading anything already installed in Puplite, with the newer versions found in these packages. Something in one of these packages breaks things, and I'll have to find it.

I will also upgrade busybox from 1.18.2 to 1.18.4..

If anyone has any useful information on doing this, then please post here.
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#34 Post by vanchutr »

Thank you Sc0ttman
I'd found an cheat solution to install "FlashGot"
1. Delete /root/.mozilla/seamonkey
2. Unpack flashgot4seamonkey.tar.gz
3. Start seamonkey and approve to install Flashgot
That's all

This tar file used with seamonkey 2.xx

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#35 Post by recobayu »

vanchutr wrote:Thank you Sc0ttman
I'd found an cheat solution to install "FlashGot"
1. Delete /root/.mozilla/seamonkey
2. Unpack flashgot4seamonkey.tar.gz
3. Start seamonkey and approve to install Flashgot
That's all

This tar file used with seamonkey 2.xx
just use you2pup to download from youtube.
i'd found it on wary 5
http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=44960

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#36 Post by sc0ttman »

A note about you2pup, it only does youtube, if it even works at the moment..
Firedog includes the best video downloader there is (IMHO)..

Anyway, on another note,
just an update coming here, so I can keep up with myself:

I'm now on an alpha3... I have now also upgraded:

- updated to busybox 1.18.4-unicode, coreutils 6.9-6-p4, dialog-1.1-20110302-widechar, findutils-4.4.2-w5, readline-6.0-w5

- replaced/disabled the following busybox applets: depmod, wc, httpd (=>monkey), ftpd(=>pureftpd), xargs, modprobe,

- updated the following scripts to work with latest busybox ('free' applet): /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit, rc.shutdown, /sbin/pup_event_fontend_d

The 'free' applet has changed a bit, needed to update some scripts..

EDIT: If anyone knows any other scripts that use the 'free' applet in busybox, then please post it here.. I think I caught them all...

The main SFS has grown by around 4mb so far, but RAM usage is more or less the same.. I will re-apply technosaurus' work on static system daemons, to lower RAM usage even more.

Most of the extra SFS size is down to extra ffmpeg libs and SDL being added.. A little bit is down to some findutils/coreutils programs replaceing some busybox applets, and also cos the new busybox is a bit bigger (but uses more applets and full help for each applet :) )

Next step(s):

- update to bash 4.2
- better archive handling
- add exploderpm
- add more complete xz-utils, with all symlinks and extra shell scripts
- make sure to remove old xz and replace with symlink to new one
- updated more core libs - e2fsprogs, font stuff, jwm
- updated many apps: pmusic, pburn, pupradio,
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#37 Post by sc0ttman »

If anyone knows why root-tail will not show up on the JWM desktop, after JWM version 2.0.1, I would love to hear about it.. Why?

I want to upgrade JWM and will almost certainly do that..
But then PMConky will not work.

(PMConky, by goingnuts, uses ash/root-tail to display system info on the desktop, like Conky but simpler - but it will not show up on the desktop if JWM is newer than version 2.0.1)

I have yet to find out why, but have looked long and hard, although this, like so many things, is totally beyond me!

Any ideas people?
Where might I look to get to the cause of this issue?
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#38 Post by sc0ttman »

So far, I have an alpha 4:

- updated to bash 4.2-i486-pup4, added libiconv-1.2.5 - needed cos bash 4.2 supports NLS (adds 300k and 800k)
- re-apply technosaurus' static 'init' daemons, to reduce RAM usage
- better archive handling
- add exploderpm, alien manager
- add the complete xz-utils pacakge, with all symlinks and extra shell scripts
- make sure to remove old xz and replace with symlink to new one
- updated gzip to 1.3.11
- added gtksourceview-2.6.2-1
- updated xfprot
- added bashbox 0.5.1

NOTE: maybe I want to do without iconv+libiconv, although I am prepared to see the SFS size grow as is required (but no more than that obviously..) ... I might re-compile bash and disable NLS, and remove iconv dependencies - I have hacked it out of deadbeef before.. Might work with bash..

BTW, the main SFS is up to 63mb, from 57mb .. mostly new cos I added ffmpeg codecs, SDL, iconv, more coreutils, gtksourceview (for bacon+nicoedit) plus most updated packages are a bit larger..
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#39 Post by sc0ttman »

after some feedback from vickyg2003, it seems the Simple Network Setup tool (aka SNS) does not support WPA2 ... I will take this into account, and will probably go with the classic network tool as default, not dougals multi-chooser-tool thing..

Or whatever is used in Lupu, if different from Puppy4, cos apparently it works really nicely.

It may also be correct that the ath_pci module in puplite may need to be reverted, as I think I updated it for better Eee PC support.

I'd love feedback about which network tools are peoples favourites..
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#40 Post by Puppyt »

:oops:
OK so blame my typical Aussie simplicity (and my Oirish heritage? Not my Scottish bits) in linking your moniker with a certain region of the British Isles, and suggesting names like "Hibernia" and "sc0tti"... my apologies...

Fab to see you continuing, and adding, FireDog to the browser options!

As to Network managers, I've been impressed by Jemimah's 'Frisbee' and occasionally frustrated by SNS - but really I have very little experience with WiFi. What I would love to see is a dialogue to run EduRoam connections. My uni, and most of the bigger universities worldwide are using that system (http://www.eduroam.org/). At present the wpa_supplicant (which one?) has to be manually edited in Puppy http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic. ... 302#455302, but if there was a nooby-proof app to simplify secure connection to EduRoam I think Puppy would prick up more ears in the wider computing community. I know you have too much on your plate, sc0ttman - so how should I plead my case to the WiFi gurus in the Puppy Community?

Keep up the Good Work :)
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