murga-linux.com/puppy/ moderation freedom, and common sense

[shariebeth]

4. When they use a proxy and still continue: You do the best you can and advise the other admins to watch out for new accounts exhibiting similar behavior. Obviously legitimate new accounts are not going to head straight to the problem thread and continue. Proxies are a pita. No question. You do the best you can to catch them and use your best judgement.

Do you see anything wrong with banning the proxy?

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Nope. But then they turn around and get another one. And another one. Simply a matter of who gets tired of it first. Which is why I said before, it wasn't fair for that to all be on Flash's head. There needs to be a decent size team. Deleting these types of accounts, banning IP's, all part of an admin's day's work. One could let it go but then everyone else is annoyed at best.

[RetroTechGuy]

They benefited from all the advice offered here, got themselves up
and running, and now the Loonies want to run the asylum.

Whinging ...whining ...wankers.

If they can't give any advice...at least point to some posts,
which can help newbies.

Don't hold back Chris, tell us what you really think!...

[RetroTechGuy]

-Might your posts or threads get edited? (With explanation)

As a past moderator I have edited posts. Usually when I considered a post important and a URL needs turning into a link.
Or the post is important and I could not comprehend the meaning and it was just a simple spelling mistake or word omission
Flash has on occasion edited a poster heading (including mine)
were he feels a more intelligible or on topic heading is required.
I find personally this is done rarely and totally justified and helpful.

I too have occasionally had subject lines edited. And the change was self-explanatory (though it did puzzle me a couple times -- since I didn't recall choosing that title -- just our Mods trying to make me think I'm slipping, I think!... )

When they run across something like:

Code: Select all

Subject: WTF???!!!

I suppose really, the Mod should put something like:

Code: Select all

Subject: [mod] How do I get Puppy to...

Or even:

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Subject: [mod] How do I get Puppy to... (was: "WTF??!!)

But if they don't, it's no big deal...

[Bruce B]

Which is why I said before, it wasn't fair for that to all be on Flash's head.

For all I know it was your suggestion that in part helped to lighten the workload.

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[nooby]

shariebeth I wild guess that I understand you better now and trust you have good intentions and I support the good intentions.

So why does it not work? I know too little but it can be some kind of culture clash.

The regulars here are used to have a certain forum culture and your more tighter regime is a too heavy handed change and them bark loud at such demands.

My wild guess that if you really want that change to happen then the only way to get it is to go with the flow to be a supporter that gently nudge things in the direction you want.

As you go for it now it seems to only strengthen resistance.

Sadly what I suggest can take time though. And you seems very fast on the trigger or how to refer to your need to get change within days or weeks or months.

Okay I am a pessimist but what you want will take years of them adjusting to such a big change. And the forum may even lose loved members in the process. Such is not easy to accept.

I am only rambling. Will be interesting to see what comes out of all this in the end.

I vote for that go with the flow will get faster result than the bang your head bloody against the brick wall approach you are on now. ouch.

Thanks for friendly words. I trust that I am annoying. Not that I want to but seems inevitable due to my way of doing things. A bad habit I guess.

To show how difficult Moderating is what you did there RetroTechGuy telling cthisbear to speak up would in one forum that I was active in get you huge infraction or even instant ban for "goading". They where extremely fast on the trigger for even minor teasing.

I am happy it is not like that in this forum.

But I am very much against that we have political and religious and talking down whole nations regardless if them should be criticised or not.

I want it to be about computers and software and linux not God or politics.

[2byte]

The OP stated 'Essentially this discussion is intended to be about suggestions and ideas for better forum behavior, giving rise to non-insulting posts'

Some fair suggestions re offenses, I think.

1) Post a written warning/advisory with invitation for private response to the member and optionally remove the offensive posts.
2) Post a written warning with invitation for private response to the member and disallow further posting and optionally remove the offensive posts.
3) Ban.

Written warnings posted to the thread where the offense took place along with a PM to the offending member.


I assume there is a forum section for admins and mods to discuss forum business and that all disciplinary actions would be discussed and agreed upon there, not publicly. The first and second steps could be taken unilaterally before (not without) private discussion by the moderators. Private discussion could be as simple as a notice of the action taken posted in the forum business section.

What is considered to be unacceptable behavior is at the complete discretion of the admin and moderators as a whole, of course.

2 cents

[Aitch]

Thanks to all for the suggestions/ideas

I have one to add....could this.....

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=34480

.....be moved to the top of the forum - as a new Section, under House Training, perhaps? and made prominent, [Emboldened/coloured?] with any suggestions here incorporated....perhaps, also including John M's words?

The only thing I have ever wanted was common sense, and I hoped for civil discourse.
Common sense being a relative term, which I think has a minimum common denominator.

I know many people that ignore the off topic area, and it is a bit of a pain sometimes, so if you think it shouldn't exist I would recommend you ignore it too.

I appreciate feedback around how I can make this site and it's community work better, as it is important to me and I want it to be a better place.

However, rules around what you can and can't talk about I do object to.

Freedom is another relative term which is important to me.
Unfortunately freedom isn't free it seems

If anyone still has a problem with forum moderation, at least an attempt has been made to discuss and improve what we have

It has not, IMHO, been a heated topic, so draw your own conclusions....

PS: I would've linked this thread, to the forum code of conduct thread, but it's locked [Probably wisely so - thanks Flash! ]

Aitch