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Aitch

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK
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Posted: Tue 26 Jul 2011, 17:47 Post_subject:
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| Bruce B wrote: | | New! Puppy Linux Links Page - updated today |
Excellent effort, Bruce, wish you luck maintaining it!
Sort of shows why I've been calling for a searchable database, eh? - that page must be 1/2 mile long
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harii4

Joined: 30 Jan 2009 Posts: 444 Location: La Porte City, IA , U.S.A.
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Posted: Tue 26 Jul 2011, 21:55 Post_subject:
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| Quote: | Bruce B wrote:
New! Puppy Linux Links Page - updated today
Excellent effort, Bruce, wish you luck maintaining it!
Sort of shows why I've been calling for a searchable database, eh? - that page must be 1/2 mile long Laughing
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finding it very useful.
| Quote: | | Sort of shows why I've been calling for a searchable database, eh? - that page must be 1/2 mile long Laughing |
you mean something like?:
http://wellminded.com/puppy/pupsearch.html
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Aitch

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK
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Posted: Wed 27 Jul 2011, 06:38 Post_subject:
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No, harii4
I mean something like
http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=64&p=13014327
On the forum server is already a database, which we as users have no access to
The well=minded search is just google's search engine pointed to murga-linux/puppy
IF we could have user selected data tags in the existing database, a list of each example of key words/numbers/tags would be built, with results listed alphabetically/as user request and by category defined by those tags
An example, maybe, is sphinx, as used by craig's list with over 2 million hits a day
http://www.slideshare.net/streety/dedicated-search-for-a-private-phpbb-forum-using-sphinx
also, see the quick forum jump drop-down box here
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=42
See the difference/s?
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ICPUG
Joined: 24 Jul 2005 Posts: 1278 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed 27 Jul 2011, 07:58 Post_subject:
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The last 3 posts are totally off topic. Is it any wonder this forum is difficult to find things in sometimes!
Since no one more knowledgeable than I responded to Starhawks last question I will add my thoughts.
Usage of the LGPL, rather than GPL, is more for libraries which you are allowing to be attached to proprietary software.
In any event you cannot take GPL software, amend it and then release the amendment as LGPL as far as I am aware. Amended GPL software must be released under the same licence terms.
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Bruce B

Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10823 Location: The Peoples Republic of California
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Posted: Wed 27 Jul 2011, 10:06 Post_subject:
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| ICPUG wrote: | | In any event you cannot take GPL software, amend it and then release the amendment as LGPL as far as I am aware. Amended GPL software must be released under the same licence terms. |
| Differently wrote: | | In any event you cannot take [another's] GPL software, amend it and then release the amendment as LGPL as far as I am aware. Amended GPL software must be released under the same licence terms. |
If it is your own GPL software you can't take back the license, of course.
However as the owner of the software, you can take the same software and license it under a different model also.
Below is an example of where I think this happened
Open http://notecase.sourceforge.net/
Commercial shareware: http://www.virtual-sky.com/
And I think he is using the open source aspell as the optional spell checker for the closed source package. But the user must install it.
Again, this is only something owners can do.
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Aitch

Joined: 04 Apr 2007 Posts: 6825 Location: Chatham, Kent, UK
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Posted: Wed 27 Jul 2011, 11:25 Post_subject:
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ICPUG
Yes - the posts were off-topic, but not importantly so, and still in the spirit of 'spreading Puppy around', as there are 3 pages discussing, essentially legal points, yet without the legal definitions being either quoted or highlighted, which can only serve to confuse, as the posts are no more than opinion, legally speaking, which again are of no use to the OP, and if he is seriously interested in finding the right info, I can only suggest reading here, as a start, or consulting a FOSS legal adviser, for certainty
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/
http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#DoesTheGPLAllowMoney
http://gpl-violations.org/
Here is an example of a copyright violation, which is badly affecting the originator, and those who've enjoyed his product, due to misunderstandings about copyright holder's rights
http://forum.jbidwatcher.com/forums/2/topics/755
Licensing IS, after all, a copyright/legal issue!
Selling hardware isn't, even if it includes someone else's licensed open-source software, provided the originator's license terms are included, as noted in Barry's pm to me, in reply to my question about people selling Puppy on ebay!
I think Barry would, by now, have a good understanding of his license
As to derivatives/modifications to, or of Puppy, these are the responsibility of the coder/modifier
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Bruce B

Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10823 Location: The Peoples Republic of California
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Posted: Wed 27 Jul 2011, 12:37 Post_subject:
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| Aitch wrote: |
Here is an example of a copyright violation, which is badly affecting the originator, and those who've enjoyed his product, due to misunderstandings about copyright holder's rights
http://forum.jbidwatcher.com/forums/2/topics/755 |
He doesn't understand the law, lives in a different country, the thief doesn't have deep pockets? What gives?
There shouldn't be a problem for the software owner except at first glance it looks as if he imagines one, as in, he has an illusion, meaning some considerations based on misunderstanding.
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dejan555

Joined: 30 Nov 2008 Posts: 2407 Location: Montenegro
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Posted: Fri 29 Jul 2011, 03:26 Post_subject:
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| Bruce B wrote: | | When we can live by the spirit and letter that's the right way. But I don't want to lose the spirit of giving over the letter. |
Every time I release a remastered iso I'm afraid someone will sue me
Well I guess I could have kept remastered version for my personal use only but I know other users who wouldn't know how to change some things themselves might find it usefull.
EDIT: BTW, this page http://puppylinux.com/faq.htm on official puppylinux site has some answers by Barry, scroll down to
Q: Where do I get the source code for Puppy?
Q: May I release my own distro based on Puppy?
Q: What are the legal details?
I wish Barry made anchors to link directly to page position with specific Q&A
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Bruce B

Joined: 18 May 2005 Posts: 10823 Location: The Peoples Republic of California
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Posted: Fri 29 Jul 2011, 14:01 Post_subject:
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| dejan555 wrote: | | Bruce B wrote: | | When we can live by the spirit and letter that's the right way. But I don't want to lose the spirit of giving over the letter. |
Every time I release a remastered iso I'm afraid someone will sue me :lol: |
The only ones who have standing to sue for copyright violations are the owners of the copyright.
The only ones who can seek enforcement of the license, as far as I know, are the ones who issued the license, they would also be copyright owners.
The kernel has thousands of copyright holders. Also, the only thing they can sue for is their code. But removing code on your part would be major. Keep it as part of your inventory.
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